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Old 01-24-2011, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
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you are clueless..lol
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Originally Posted by assasinator
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...highlight=dyno

no, my car was 398 with only tune and x. i put mufflers, CAI should have added another 15-20. ill dyno it after i get the throttle body on it. it shoud get 425rwhp then. no longtubes here. no driveshaft.

http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...ctures-488179/
the OP is a well documented road racer with 435rwhp.


http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...7hp-424tq.html


http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...o-numbers.html


http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...o-Data-Summary


410-420 is with most bolt ons, not all. everything nets 430 range.
Hmm, guess I need to keep up a little better.

On a related note:

"Livernois: 430/410. Steeda CAI & retune"

HOLY ******* ****.
I know it's a shop car, but damn. Livernois seems to be pretty good with every car, backing it up with track times and such. Not too mention that aren't some upstart some company making a name for themselves on 1 car.
Old 01-24-2011, 08:46 PM
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i wish i could drive up there when i have everything on the car and get them to dyno tune it.

edit: i forgot DS. im getting one of those too. \/ \/ \/ \/
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Originally Posted by bh353
hell no im not upset..people were arguing over the 453rwhp numbers saying it was to high for what was done to the car and i was pointing out he had a lightweight flywheel and drive shaft.that alone probably adds atleast 20rwhp.
Oh I hope I put down 20 from my driveshaft going on
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Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
I noticed if there is anybody who can get you all hot and heated like that it's Redfire. lol
This is the dude that PM'd me saying that Stopsign and I make it "too easy" for people to tell we are the same person. He is a jackass.
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Originally Posted by d98gt
Oh I hope I put down 20 from my driveshaft going on
it has leaked out of JPC that the car that made 445rwhp with heads has now made 480rwhp with cams. they are not talking about it. they are still testing new cams.

stock cam specs:

intake: 12mm lift(.472") 263 degrees duration at .002" lift. about 210-213 @ .050"

exhaust 11mm lift(.433") 263 degrees at .002" same as intake duration.

cams are about 5-8 degrees larger duration than 98 cobra cams.

lots of power to be had in cans it seems.
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Wow, that's pretty decent.

Thanks for the PMs btw, my brother ordered the Airraid intake and Evolution tune last week for his.
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oh man, he'll like that. your still faster. he'll need more than that IMO.

hey we have competition on every level. its good for everyone.
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Originally Posted by assasinator
it has leaked out of JPC that the car that made 445rwhp with heads has now made 480rwhp with cams. they are not talking about it. they are still testing new cams.

stock cam specs:

intake: 12mm lift(.472") 263 degrees duration at .002" lift. about 210-213 @ .050"

exhaust 11mm lift(.433") 263 degrees at .002" same as intake duration.

cams are about 5-8 degrees larger duration than 98 cobra cams.

lots of power to be had in cans it seems.
Those are some nice gains..wonder how streetable the car is.
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If they found a way to keep VTC active, then I'm sure it drives pretty close to stock. And since it's DOHC, it's probably fairly tame even if they had to disable/lockout VTC.
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Originally Posted by assasinator
it has leaked out of JPC that the car that made 445rwhp with heads has now made 480rwhp with cams. they are not talking about it. they are still testing new cams.

stock cam specs:

intake: 12mm lift(.472") 263 degrees duration at .002" lift. about 210-213 @ .050"

exhaust 11mm lift(.433") 263 degrees at .002" same as intake duration.

cams are about 5-8 degrees larger duration than 98 cobra cams.

lots of power to be had in cans it seems.
Those numbers sound nice! I just Pay Pal'd "Demon 383" the cash for the FAST 102. Should see 500+ at the tires. Would love to run into a "built" 5.0.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
If they found a way to keep VTC active, then I'm sure it drives pretty close to stock. And since it's DOHC, it's probably fairly tame even if they had to disable/lockout VTC.
my understanding is, they have to limit vct to about 20 degrees on higher lift cams. PTV issue are a thing of the past on this motor unless lifts get .500 or higher. then limiters are needed. 20 degrees is enough. the rest of the factory travel is retarding the exhaust cams for EGR and pumping losses for fuel economy. similar to 3v strategy. im not really in this for emissions.
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So basically, it should be just fine.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
So basically, it should be just fine.
Almost seems it's going to be more than just fine... That could be a REAL game changer for how the car "evolves" into racing material. I said that all along though... Once they figure out the cams... look out world, here they come!

Originally Posted by BODUKE
Those new 2011 5.0's arent exactly cheap. After car note and the insurance and the expense of the new bolt on parts, the ls1 will still be a bargain to build up.
Yeah... If only GM built and sold USED 4th gens... Just as well, if they'd sold new ones at used prices!!

Originally Posted by assasinator
luckily the 5.0 is only up to 457rwhp with e85.....maybe that last 16rwhp wont be reached with the latest boltons. His H/C/I LS1 is safe for now....
Yeah, well... what had happened is...

We all know the LS1 in this case will still have the advantage. Less weight, legit power.

Originally Posted by Redfire 03
Wonder what my setup will do on e85? Better yet, throw a ported 102 and a EWP on top of that!! Can you say 500++rwhp wise guy? Didn't think so.
Now replace the pistons, cams, intake, heads... and on and on... with the new 5.0 and it's looking like a tough win on your end. That's just how things go. Even GM is jumping into the OHC variable valve timing game(with both feet)... technology can be a good thing.
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
We all know the LS1 in this case will still have the advantage. Less weight, legit power.

Now replace the pistons, cams, intake, heads... and on and on... with the new 5.0 and it's looking like a tough win on your end. That's just how things go. Even GM is jumping into the OHC variable valve timing game(with both feet)... technology can be a good thing.
My combo is more on the milder side; Baby cam, mild port heads, yada yada. The potential to make a LOT more power is there whenever im ready for it. Using this same old LS1 block. The old displacement thing never dies buddy.
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Displacement is great... but good design is just as important. Hence why fairly mild heads/cams 5.0s are going to be making 475-500rwhp.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Displacement is great... but good design is just as important. Hence why fairly mild heads/cams 5.0s are going to be making 475-500rwhp.
That's respectable.
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you know, the LS rivalry is there and obvious.....it will always be there.

but there is another rival familiar to LS owners. one that thinks its at the top because of a m112 blower. and thinks 450-475 rules. stock m112's, ported m112's. cannibalism. coyote owners are gonna want a piece of snake for dinner.

and im one of them. snakes are starting to **** me off.
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
My combo is more on the milder side; Baby cam, mild port heads, yada yada. The potential to make a LOT more power is there whenever im ready for it. Using this same old LS1 block. The old displacement thing never dies buddy.
To be fair, your heads are pretty big dollar heads, even if they are only mildly ported. Not takign away form the combo, just pointing that out. Make sure you post a thread with the new numbers.
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
My combo is more on the milder side; Baby cam, mild port heads, yada yada. The potential to make a LOT more power is there whenever im ready for it. Using this same old LS1 block. The old displacement thing never dies buddy.
True. Jack Roush and Don Bowles put an Open Comp car out last season(NMRA) for a few events(or more, Idonno) with a 7.0L "experimental" version of the 6.2L... I don't know ANYTHING to speak of about it, but I heard it made roughly 800hp N/A on E85. A precursor to what might follow... It may already be a DOHC, but the only views I got of it, I couldn't be sure. It was in a Mustang though, and I read it was only a SOHC version.

I haven't heard that the 5.0L is or isn't capable of increased displacement sans F/I. It wouldn't shock me, considering the flack they've surely heard over the past several yrs regarding the 4.6L. Then again, it's lived to run 8's in 5.0L form...



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