That's nice and all but it would be so much more cost effective to just go FI.

 

But NA you get that RAW wheel horsepower.

 

An LS6 is an LS1 with a couple extras. Technically, it could be called an LS1, but no one really cares enough to call their LS1 an LS6 or their C5Z06/CTS-V an LS1 powered car. You call it as they called it from the factory.

The saying "An LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1..." means that no matter the year of LS1, 97-02 & 04, they all produce almost identical hp #s. LS6 block MIGHT give you 1hp TOPS, although this has never been proven.

 

i have a FI car. it has billet stuff. and turbo. this is all motor. for fun. ill end up driving the caddy i want, and parking this one too. i promised myself to leave the V alone....when i get it.

 

And it'd be more cost-effective to buy a 3rd gen than a C6. People spend money because it's what they WANT to do. I think a 10,000rpm N/A Coyote motor would be Grade-A badass.

 

I'll take that over Forced Induction anyday.

x2!

10,000rpms in a street car would be crazy. I'd love to go for a spin in something like that.

What year 'V' are you talking about? Hopefully LS9...

 

Except the difference between the LS1 and the 2V's was... a lot. Nowadays the the difference between the LS3 camaro's and the 2011 GT's is... basically nothing. Most people on here know stock for stock its a drivers race. Stock for stock they dyno about the same, boltons and there still about the same, anything more and the LS3 edges out the 5.0. Too much hype for a car that performs on par, not above.

 

Do you know something that nobody else knows?

Edit: And people aren't comparing the new GT to the LS3 Camaros here... they're trying to compare it to 4th gens.

 

Man im in love with any V. i just couldnt buy a car i had to re-engineer the whole rear suspension for running the way i like to. yes im going to get a LSA when i pay off the stang. 4 doors though. i do like the coupe, but i need 4 doors and comfort for 4 adults.

i dont HAVE to get a new one, if there's a deal on a used 2009+ its mine, otherwise a new one it is. im not too proud to buy a used car. it will be my 4th cadillac. 3 northstars and soon enough a LSA.

 

I know something that everyone knows, there is no replacement for displacement.


Did you read what i quoted? He is saying that the way it was when the LS1's came out, it is now, except now that landslide victory goes to ford. Im sorry but thats .

 

im going to use an extremism example, but a 2.5 liter F1 makes 820hp. on pump gas.


rpm=cubic inches.

a cylinder head with a set flow makes exactly the same power regardless of cubic inches.

airflow in lb/minute = HP.


whether or not the smaller motor can spin high enough to make up for cubic inches is another matter.

plz dont ignore engine building basics here. this is LS1"tech", not LS1opinion.

 

Ok Jeff, are you reading something here that I'm not getting?
He's saying that Mustang guys underestimated the LS1 when it came out. Which is definitely true. And he's saying that people are doing the same thing with the 5.0 now. Which is definitely true. I don't think he said anything about the 5.0 having a "landslide victory." That one was all you.

 

Yes true, but that is an extreme comparison, apples to apples, cubic inches is the victor. If an engine is boosted then cubic inches doesnt matter and usually only changes the powerband, N/A it is an entirely different story. What does a bigger engine ALWAYS make more of? Torque. If there are 2 engines, both at 5000rpm, one at 400tq and one at 500tq, which one will produce MORE hp. Mathematically the one with more tq. HP=Torque X RPM/5252. Displacement is a HUGE factor, something not as easily changed as as a set of heads or a cam.
He didnt exactly say that but, to me thats the message i got. The 5.0 is definitely a TRUE competitor, 360whp stock, 430whp with full boltons, how many cars can do that? Not much, but i will say that an LS3 is right on par with it. If he didnt mean that then disregard my post and that is my fault.

 

Assasinator you are kind of oversimpifying some of that. A head that flows a certain number will not make the same power on a large and a smaller engine unless both engines are built to optimize that amount of flow and even then it may be impossible to make the smaller engine capable of using it.

 

yes the example is a simplified one, but with all things equal and optimized, ie bearing surface resistance, total engine drag coeficcient, perfect intake tuning, etc, a smaller motor will make the same power give or take.

of course if you are comparing a 7 liter 350cfm motor to a 5.8liter engine with the exact same head, the 351 needs a lot of tuning and attention to detail. it also need a bunch more rpms to do it. - i mention those ^3 inches because its the hurricane cubic inches range.


but just a generic, "no replacement,etc" blanket statement is not true. i wasn't picking on anyone.

 

Its not ALWAYS true, but guess what, it is true.

 

I know you know thats not entirely true. There will never be a replacement for total volume. More RPM and FI both use the same volume more efficiently. If you had a 10000 RPM 200ci motor with X amount of airflow, and scaled it up proportionally to 500ci (obviously if the head flowed the same this is pointless) the bigger motor would always make more power. Of course, in the world of engine building we have to factor in cost and available materials so the perfect "numbers game" doesn't work, which is why small high RPM engines are successful.

 

And why a high-rpm Coyote motor would be very successful.

 

Eh, just throw a turbo on it.

 

I agree, I would love to see one turning 9k. I'm wondering how far the heads will go at this point. I would also be curious about tuning the VVT to operate at that high of an RPM.