raced a z28 last night in the wifes 2v GT
05-23-2011, 07:23 PM
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really?
so you've never raced a car that had a better hp/weight ratio and won because he took 3 days to shift? or botched a launch...repeatedly.
about the weight comment...i lol. ls1 in a 4th gen fbody goes 105. same engine in an fc rx7 goes 115. gee, what's the difference? don't tell me the 2 are going to be neck and neck from 60 lol.
street race much?
so you've never raced a car that had a better hp/weight ratio and won because he took 3 days to shift? or botched a launch...repeatedly.
about the weight comment...i lol. ls1 in a 4th gen fbody goes 105. same engine in an fc rx7 goes 115. gee, what's the difference? don't tell me the 2 are going to be neck and neck from 60 lol.
street race much?
As for the "botched launch", I made the comment for roll racing.
For you second comment, you mentioned a 60 roll. This means that you begin at 60mph and "accelerate" to some speed. The lighter car will be faster because it accelerates faster. As I mentioned above, whenever something accelerates, the torque comes into play again. Once the acceleration slows or stops all together, than the horsepower becomes the deciding factor.
I am not forcing the issue man, this is just how I see the relationship between Hp and Torque.
Just yesturday he got pissy when I was making him look stupid and started saying his Acura would beat me lmao 
05-23-2011, 07:41 PM
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Anyway, you are correct about bad driving...It does cause faster cars to lose to slower ones no matter what speed.
05-23-2011, 07:59 PM
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****, I lined up against a friend's H/C/I/susp/gear/weight loss/DR+skinnies/stalled th350 LT1 SS (runs 12.1s) and tried to see if I could even keep it close. I fucked up the launch (dumped it from 5k) and made a 13.9 pass (2.3 60' I think) so I can damn close to a 14. Our track prep is usually pretty good, but I literally got sideways through 1st and blew the tires off until 3rd. My best pass that night was 12.66@112, 2.00 60' on $70 245 street tires with just lid/ls6 intake/headers/true duals/3.73s/tune/full weight. Hell, out of the same stuff minus ls6 intake and tune, I got a 1.90 60', so I consider myself a good (above average) driver, but definitely not great. Point being that you can be a good driver but have an off night or bad pass.
Another local kid who sucks at driving could only get a best of 13.7 from a headers/intake/exhaust LS1/ 6 speed goat. Some people just suck, some people are average, and some are good or great drivers.
One night I was at the track, the guy in front of me was a cammed LS1 and he ran a 13.0. I had that same setup mentioned before and ran a 12.83.
I know I'm rambling but like I said, there are drivers of every sort and skill level, which is why people talk about AVERAGE times. You aren't going to see the best from every car every time, or sometimes ever. There are plenty of bolt-on 6 speed LS1s running much faster than my 12.66, but there are plenty lower as well, therefore I consider my times average.
05-23-2011, 08:29 PM
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The whole "average" times thing is being blown out of proportion here. Instead of average times Id call a 14.anything in an LS1 in decent air a bad time. LOL Come out here to my home track and you'll see average times of mid 13s (13.4-13.6) from stock/near stock LS1 on a regular. When a guy runs 14s out here we don't consider it average we consider him a fuc*ed up driver. That is all.
I pay attention to two things: Average and Best. That's it. **** times get thrown out the window. They serve pointless to me.
I pay attention to two things: Average and Best. That's it. **** times get thrown out the window. They serve pointless to me.
05-23-2011, 08:40 PM
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I took a C6 z06 to 11.2 at 129 with just a cold air, tires and cat back at sac a few years ago. Then at infineon ran a 11.7 at 121 all day.everyone has off days. But infineon sucks ***.(I am always blaming the track) Its just the track you are at and if your car needs a driver mod. Plan and smiple. I would call myself a very very good drive. I ran a buddys t/a and he could only get a 13.6.I would call him above average driver. I got a 12.96(full bolt-ons) out of it. There are to many things that come in to play. I race a lot of car on the street and have got beat and have one. I had a srt-4 stay right be side me 50-160. The the next nigh walk all over him in the vette. Like I said a lot of things come in to play.
05-23-2011, 09:13 PM
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If you want to come over I'll get it running within a week. Although running my 4.6L you would be up **** river with a leaking boat, alligators in the water, a broken paddle, and a group of rapist behind you in a speed boat.
05-23-2011, 09:14 PM
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05-23-2011, 09:58 PM
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The whole "average" times thing is being blown out of proportion here. Instead of average times Id call a 14.anything in an LS1 in decent air a bad time. LOL Come out here to my home track and you'll see average times of mid 13s (13.4-13.6) from stock/near stock LS1 on a regular. When a guy runs 14s out here we don't consider it average we consider him a fuc*ed up driver. That is all.
I pay attention to two things: Average and Best. That's it. **** times get thrown out the window. They serve pointless to me.
I pay attention to two things: Average and Best. That's it. **** times get thrown out the window. They serve pointless to me.
There is no average without all of the ets taken into consideration.. From a 12.8@110 pass all the way down to a 14.3@101 pass.
If you aren't going to count a 14.3 pass, then don't count a 12.8 pass.
Nobody said anything about 14s being average, we have pointed that out to you twice now. A 14 second ls1 is struggling, whether it be DA driver options track prep cars mechanical condition etc etc etc.. but you still have to count it when talking average, if not you aren't talking average. I mean seriously, how are you not grasping this?
Average is an average of the worst and best pass and the amount of cars running. Whether you like the et or not or its an amazing or horrible et, you have to count it when talking average. In math you don't say what was the average time the kids made 3 laps in...... but dont count anything over 4 minutes cause the fat kids and handicap kids were in that group..... but count the four dudes from Kenya.
****.. I mean you make fun of me and you cant grasp this. Whether you like it or not, average has a definition... if you aren't talking average, quit saying average and quit arguing cause you either don't care or agree with me. Otherwise, you are dead wrong... Period. you can't argue how you come up with an average, it is in stone. All ets are accounted for, not just the ones you think make the cut.
05-23-2011, 10:15 PM
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You still aren't getting it.
There is no average without all of the ets taken into consideration.. From a 12.8@110 pass all the way down to a 14.3@101 pass.
If you aren't going to count a 14.3 pass, then don't count a 12.8 pass.
Nobody said anything about 14s being average, we have pointed that out to you twice now. A 14 second ls1 is struggling, whether it be DA driver options track prep cars mechanical condition etc etc etc.. but you still have to count it when talking average, if not you aren't talking average. I mean seriously, how are you not grasping this?
Average is an average of the worst and best pass and the amount of cars running. Whether you like the et or not or its an amazing orr horrible et, you have to count it when talking average. In math you don't say what was the average time the kids made 3 laps in...... but dont count anything over 4 minutes cause the fat kids and handicap kids were in that group..... but count the four dudes from Kenya.
****.. I mean you make fun of me and you cant grasp this. Whether you like it or not, average has a definition... if you aren't talking average, quit saying average and quit arguing cause you either don't care or agree with me. Otherwise, you are dead wrong... Period. you can't argue how you come up with an average, it is in stone. All ets are accounted for, not just the ones you think make the cut.
There is no average without all of the ets taken into consideration.. From a 12.8@110 pass all the way down to a 14.3@101 pass.
If you aren't going to count a 14.3 pass, then don't count a 12.8 pass.
Nobody said anything about 14s being average, we have pointed that out to you twice now. A 14 second ls1 is struggling, whether it be DA driver options track prep cars mechanical condition etc etc etc.. but you still have to count it when talking average, if not you aren't talking average. I mean seriously, how are you not grasping this?
Average is an average of the worst and best pass and the amount of cars running. Whether you like the et or not or its an amazing orr horrible et, you have to count it when talking average. In math you don't say what was the average time the kids made 3 laps in...... but dont count anything over 4 minutes cause the fat kids and handicap kids were in that group..... but count the four dudes from Kenya.
****.. I mean you make fun of me and you cant grasp this. Whether you like it or not, average has a definition... if you aren't talking average, quit saying average and quit arguing cause you either don't care or agree with me. Otherwise, you are dead wrong... Period. you can't argue how you come up with an average, it is in stone. All ets are accounted for, not just the ones you think make the cut.
05-24-2011, 04:10 AM
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lol you guys like to just make **** up huh? I didn't say I'll never lose to a Mustang. WTF? Are you retarded? There are 6 second Mustangs out there...
No, I said I once lost to a Mustang. white 4th gen GT, sounded cammed. He smoked me while granny shifting that thing. The same night I raced a near stock 4th gen GT and smoked that guy. He said he spun but so did I.
I don't get what's so impossible about an LT1 winning against a Mustang that's a good 20hp or so down on power. Even the newer GTs don't have the same flat torque curve as small block Chevys so it's all very possible.
No, I said I once lost to a Mustang. white 4th gen GT, sounded cammed. He smoked me while granny shifting that thing. The same night I raced a near stock 4th gen GT and smoked that guy. He said he spun but so did I.
I don't get what's so impossible about an LT1 winning against a Mustang that's a good 20hp or so down on power. Even the newer GTs don't have the same flat torque curve as small block Chevys so it's all very possible.