Cammed LS2 GTO vs. 11 5.0
06-28-2011, 10:07 PM
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Wait now hold up son. A 3800lb Gto with 420rwhp beat a 3600lb 5.0 with supposedly 400+rwhp stock? Something is not right here. Either the new 5.0 is not what its cracked up to be or the driver is a **** kicker, especially after seeing the *** raping on that video.
+1 for over weight GM cars
+1 for over weight GM cars
But on the other hand, since you obviously have no clue what its like to drive a new vehicle with power let me explain it too you:
New cars are deneutered from the factory. Call it Torque Management, call it whatever you want but it's all the same: factory tunes designed to keep you from having all your power when you want it. Sometimes it's for parts breakage reasons (GM), sometimes it's more for keeping grandma's and teenagers from killing themselves with there own lack of driving skills or common sense by deciding when and how much throttle to actually give the car when the driver wacks the throttle (Ford). Or in Dodge's case, just add a elephant to the trunk to weigh it down from getting too frisky.
Either way, the 300+ and 400+ and even 500+ hp cars of today don't feel like they make anywhere near those numbers unless you are doing 100+mph and WOT in Drive. Sometimes even then they still feel slow as hell (Mazda rotory).
06-28-2011, 10:23 PM
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06-28-2011, 10:27 PM
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No one said it had 400+rwhp. The exact words were catback only, with no mention even of a tune. Probably a 370rwhp car.
But on the other hand, since you obviously have no clue what its like to drive a new vehicle with power let me explain it too you:
New cars are deneutered from the factory. Call it Torque Management, call it whatever you want but it's all the same: factory tunes designed to keep you from having all your power when you want it. Sometimes it's for parts breakage reasons (GM), sometimes it's more for keeping grandma's and teenagers from killing themselves with there own lack of driving skills or common sense by deciding when and how much throttle to actually give the car when the driver wacks the throttle (Ford). Or in Dodge's case, just add a elephant to the trunk to weigh it down from getting too frisky.
Either way, the 300+ and 400+ and even 500+ hp cars of today don't feel like they make anywhere near those numbers unless you are doing 100+mph and WOT in Drive. Sometimes even then they still feel slow as hell (Mazda rotory).
But on the other hand, since you obviously have no clue what its like to drive a new vehicle with power let me explain it too you:
New cars are deneutered from the factory. Call it Torque Management, call it whatever you want but it's all the same: factory tunes designed to keep you from having all your power when you want it. Sometimes it's for parts breakage reasons (GM), sometimes it's more for keeping grandma's and teenagers from killing themselves with there own lack of driving skills or common sense by deciding when and how much throttle to actually give the car when the driver wacks the throttle (Ford). Or in Dodge's case, just add a elephant to the trunk to weigh it down from getting too frisky.
Either way, the 300+ and 400+ and even 500+ hp cars of today don't feel like they make anywhere near those numbers unless you are doing 100+mph and WOT in Drive. Sometimes even then they still feel slow as hell (Mazda rotory).
06-28-2011, 10:55 PM
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Dyno racing FTW!! I made XXX rwhp so I run XX.XX @ XXX.XX MPH just like a XXXX does.
Point being all dynos read different and all cars respond to things differently. I have dynoed on one dyno and made 665 rwhp and the next dyno a week later it made 630 rwhp. Same time of year and both dynojets. Dynos are tuning tools not I made ______ so I run ______ tools.
Point being all dynos read different and all cars respond to things differently. I have dynoed on one dyno and made 665 rwhp and the next dyno a week later it made 630 rwhp. Same time of year and both dynojets. Dynos are tuning tools not I made ______ so I run ______ tools.
06-28-2011, 11:11 PM
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My understanding from when it first came out is the 5.0 has 400+rwhp "stock" as in no mods. This could be only 401rwhp I was not specific and I am well aware how late model cars are detuned to meet factory requirements.
The point is 30-40 HP does not make up for 200lbs of extra weight. Also is it not odd how the 5.0 has more rwhp when its compared to other engines with more displacement but less when it loses? How convenient....
The point is 30-40 HP does not make up for 200lbs of extra weight. Also is it not odd how the 5.0 has more rwhp when its compared to other engines with more displacement but less when it loses? How convenient....
06-29-2011, 12:31 AM
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10rwhp=100lbs=0.1 seconds in the 1/4 mile. That formula has been around since my dad was drag racing in the 60's and 70's.
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I never said anything about hp numbers? wrong guy you are referring to. As far as 5.0 guys picking up power with cai/tune, the overwhelming consensus is that they do pick up alot of power: in the range of 30-40rwhp from cai/tune. They can run on 87 octane: put a 92 octane tune in it with the timing it should have had from ford and apparently they are getting big numbers. I too was a big time doubter but thread after thread, article after article, has convinced me they do benefit highly from just a cai/tune. Not to mention the ones I've seen run with just those mods and tires running low 12's @ 112-114mph right next to cam/bolton LS1 Fbodies (running mid sized cams, but still).
10rwhp=10lbs=0.1 seconds in the 1/4 mile. That formula has been around since my dad was drag racing in the 60's and 70's.
10rwhp=10lbs=0.1 seconds in the 1/4 mile. That formula has been around since my dad was drag racing in the 60's and 70's.
06-29-2011, 07:38 AM
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Anywho, weight and rwhp do not equate to track numbers. 10 rwhp does not equal 100 lbs nor does it equal .1 second. Aerodynamics, engine type, gearing, total vehicle weight and many other things come into play.
06-29-2011, 08:18 AM
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No ****? Sweet, I'm going to go take out my floor mats and the car seat so I can gain .1 in the 1/4th!!! 
06-29-2011, 09:13 AM
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To Ohio I only have 1/8 mile times boltons and tire only. It was a 8.37 @ 84.xx mph 60' 1.9 with da ~ 2000 not sure exactly but it was in that range. I have yet to go to the track since the spray and cam. It's been closed for a while those AL twisters messed it up. I heard it will be opening up next month though.
06-29-2011, 10:39 AM
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My understanding from when it first came out is the 5.0 has 400+rwhp "stock" as in no mods. This could be only 401rwhp I was not specific and I am well aware how late model cars are detuned to meet factory requirements.
The point is 30-40 HP does not make up for 200lbs of extra weight. Also is it not odd how the 5.0 has more rwhp when its compared to other engines with more displacement but less when it loses? How convenient....
The point is 30-40 HP does not make up for 200lbs of extra weight. Also is it not odd how the 5.0 has more rwhp when its compared to other engines with more displacement but less when it loses? How convenient....
06-29-2011, 11:13 AM
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Track numbers are all over. I know one guy here went 11s with cold air and tune, I went 11s with cold air, tune, gears. Fiveoh went low 12s with tune. We all run in TX as well.