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Old 08-29-2011 | 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gregsss
your stuck on the 5.0 i see, but the SS does react to mods, they are a pig. heads cam (1), e, h, x pipe, tune and gears. Gypsy racing, dont think i spelled it right is good at getting the SS movin pretty good.
With all those mods they still havent broke in the 10's with H/G/I. That isn't really impressive. I know the 4th gens has. I know the 5.0 has went 10's with just bolt ons.
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u do realize its the drivers right, and u do realize that not all 5.0 run 12s
YA we covered this already. Just like every z06 does run 10's or 11's. Or every C/H/I LS1 dont run 11s or 10's as well.

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Old 08-29-2011 | 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
With all those mods they still havent broke in the 10's with H/G/I. That isn't really impressive. I know the 4th gens has. I know the 5.0 has went 10's with just bolt ons.
I just can't beleive a bolt-on 5.0 is inthe 10's. Post link?
Old 08-29-2011 | 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by z99ls1
I just can't beleive a bolt-on 5.0 is inthe 10's. Post link?
They are with some great air a a great prepped track as well.
This car has now went 10.7's with ported heads/Boss intake and reground factory cams. They have mentioned they lost some more weight and aftermarket cams and will shoot for lower 10's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADx2kpL9dDA
another view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNsZBgd3bC4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c62zJ...eature=related

a CJ with a 5.0 N/A just went 10.5 at a CJ shoot outThey took it right from the dealer on a trailer straight to a track. Granted its lighter then a street driven 5.0. Also the stock cams in it has more lift.
Old 08-29-2011 | 05:13 AM
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God damn this thread is a perfect example of why I don't hang out with Mustang or Fbody guys.
Old 08-29-2011 | 08:09 AM
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This is a shake down pass since Randall has added bolt on's (track was slick)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVJb0zEPN10&hd=1


Later in the day, he swapped lanes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1cWs-6_wg4&hd=1
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Originally Posted by Heater
This is a shake down pass since Randall has added bolt on's (track was slick)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVJb0zEPN10&hd=1


Later in the day, he swapped lanes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1cWs-6_wg4&hd=1
GT500's are overrated...
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
With all those mods they still havent broke in the 10's with H/G/I. That isn't really impressive. I know the 4th gens has. I know the 5.0 has went 10's with just bolt ons.


YA we covered this already. Just like every z06 does run 10's or 11's. Or every C/H/I LS1 dont run 11s or 10's as well.
LMAO
Ported heads and reworked cams aren't exactly bolt-ons buddy.......

Also, I see that there is no concrete evidence/sources other than rumors fueling the 600hp+ GT500's. Third source you posted did say, however, that it will beat out the new Camaro Z28! (Lmao...I think this alone validates the credibility and accuracy of your sources).


Good lord...this thread is filled with fail.

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Old 08-29-2011 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterTomos
LMAO
Ported heads and reworked cams aren't exactly bolt-ons buddy.......

Also, I see that there is no concrete evidence/sources other than rumors fueling the 600hp+ GT500's. Third source you posted did say, however, that it will beat out the new Camaro Z28! (Lmao...I think this alone validates the credibility and accuracy of your sources).


Good lord...this thread is filled with fail.
The one car went 10.9 before that work..Are you blind?

And there is no Z28 coming. Sorry to disappoint you GM guys. Your Z28 is the ZL1.
Old 08-29-2011 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by z99ls1
ohh cool I didn't say 11.5-11.6 I said 11.6 wich would be a higher 11 . Stop trying to find every little thing you can. And no he pretty much proved my point right...
If you can't see the amount of back-tracking you did, let me show you. Ohio posted up a video of that GT500 with slicks running the ~11.2. Then you say this;
Originally Posted by z99ls1
Agreed^, but you post vids all the time of your low 11 sec "stock" gt500s wich everyone knows is bs. I see these gt500s every time I go to the track and none are close to that.
So you call the video he posted of a GT500 running low 11s with slicks "bs." Then this;
Originally Posted by z99ls1
z06 cars with sticky tires should run low 11's easily and gt500's with sticky tires should run higher 11's. If people don't agree with that than Idk what to say
Now, everybody knew we were talking about the '11 GT500s. That is the car in the thread title, and that is the car in the video Ohio posted. So you were saying that an '11 GT500 with slicks was a high 11s car. Then I call you on it, and this is your response.
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First off the gt500's weighs 3900lbs. The 5.0 weighs 3600 lbs. That's 300lbs. I beleive a friends of ohioborn's ran his car to a 12.1 because he was a very good driver. Ohioborn ran a 12.3 best right? The gt500 usualy dyno's around 470-480 hp. The new 5.0 dyno's around 390hp. So yea a car with less than 100 more hp and weighs 300lbs more should run higher 11's. Higher being more than 11.5. 11.6 is a higher 11. So jesus christ man I am serious.
HIGHER THAN 11.5. For an '11 GT500 on slicks. You have now said it several times. Now let's see what happens now.
Originally Posted by ohioborn80
12.22@114 was my best. That was after a bunch (7-10)of 12.4-12.6 passes and some coaching from my friend. Also 390 is on the high side. Average for a manual 5.0 is 370-375ish.

Like I said average GT500 owners will run 12s. Good drivers high 11's. Great drivers mid 11's. That is stock. On slicks it changes some. Average drivers will still run high 11's-low 12s. Good mid-high 11's. Great drivers will get them low 11's-mid 11's. But still have to take track prep and DA into that as well.
And then you start agreeing with him, and tell ME that he proved your point? The point that you were arguing with me (for some reason) about? Right...
Originally Posted by z99ls1
Not to mention what year gt500's we are talking about. The brand new ones your right. I beleive the 2007 gt500s only made 500 flywheel hp and weighed a little over 3900lbs.
NOBODY was talking about anything but '11 GT500s. Back. Track.

Edit: And I like how you erased your post about me being a "Mustang owner," like that was justification for you arguing with me for no reason at all. Smooth move, guess I should have quoted you.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
And there is no Z28 coming. Sorry to disappoint you GM guys. Your Z28 is the ZL1.
No ****...I was pointing out the credibility (and age) of your sources. And I highly doubt I will be dissapointed in the ZL1. Currently the CTS-V's run low 12's and the ZL1 will be lighter by 300-400 pounds, and have more power to boot.

Anyone wondering about the weight, while an exact curb weight hasn't been confirmed, it has been talked about. The current curb weight on the CTS-V's is around 4,200 lbs. It was in my previous post with the interview with Al Oppeneheiser, he said the new Camaro ZL1 will be right around the same weight as the current SS model (depending upon options) aka 3800ish lbs thanks the leightweight body panels, wheels, carbon fiber, ect. ect.

High 11's should be a cakewalk for it, maybe even mid 11's. Also with nearly perfect weight distribution, along with launch control, revised/beefed up FE4 suspension, this car will more than likely not be a slouch in any category.

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We shall see. I can see it running about even with the current GT500, both on stock tires. But since it won't be here for another several months, we don't know what is going to happen in the meantime.
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Originally Posted by MasterTomos
No ****...I was pointing out the credibility (and age) of your sources. And I highly doubt I will be dissapointed in the ZL1. Currently the CTS-V's run low 12's and the ZL1 will be lighter by 300-400 pounds, and have more power to boot.

Anyone wondering about the weight, while an exact curb weight hasn't been confirmed, it has been talked about. The current curb weight on the CTS-V's is around 4,200 lbs. It was in my previous post with the interview with Al Oppeneheiser, he said the new Camaro ZL1 will be right around the same weight as the current SS model (depending upon options) aka 3800ish lbs thanks the leightweight body panels, wheels, carbon fiber, ect. ect.

High 11's should be a cakewalk for it, maybe even mid 11's. Also with nearly perfect weight distribution, along with launch control, revised/beefed up FE4 suspension, this car will more than likely not be a slouch in any category.
My bet is many will run horrible times cause of traction issues. They will need tires to make great times. Going off the GT500 which will be a little lighter still and make same power. With tires it should be good for lower 11's with goo dtrack prep and air as well. Bone stock it will run 12's.


And where do you get more power then the CTS-V?
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
With all those mods they still havent broke in the 10's with H/G/I. That isn't really impressive. I know the 4th gens has. I know the 5.0 has went 10's with just bolt ons.


YA we covered this already. Just like every z06 does run 10's or 11's. Or every C/H/I LS1 dont run 11s or 10's as well.
Doesnt mean someone hasnt got SS in the 10s, not everyone puts it on video or youtube. You do make it sound like every 5.0 makes it into the 12s
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Originally Posted by gregsss
Doesnt mean someone hasnt got SS in the 10s, not everyone puts it on video or youtube. You do make it sound like every 5.0 makes it into the 12s
Broken record much? You posted this on the previous page, and he addressed it at the top of this page.
Originally Posted by gregsss
u do realize its the drivers right, and u do realize that not all 5.0 run 12s
Originally Posted by ohioborn80
YA we covered this already. Just like every z06 does run 10's or 11's. Or every C/H/I LS1 dont run 11s or 10's as well.
Old 08-29-2011 | 06:56 PM
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Here's a 10 sec 2010 SS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J17kW5EZSCA
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Broken record much? You posted this on the previous page, and he addressed it at the top of this page.





Kinda hard to keep up with all the crap u two have posted.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
If you can't see the amount of back-tracking you did, let me show you. Ohio posted up a video of that GT500 with slicks running the ~11.2. Then you say this;

So you call the video he posted of a GT500 running low 11s with slicks "bs." Then this;

Now, everybody knew we were talking about the '11 GT500s. That is the car in the thread title, and that is the car in the video Ohio posted. So you were saying that an '11 GT500 with slicks was a high 11s car. Then I call you on it, and this is your response.

HIGHER THAN 11.5. For an '11 GT500 on slicks. You have now said it several times. Now let's see what happens now.

And then you start agreeing with him, and tell ME that he proved your point? The point that you were arguing with me (for some reason) about? Right...

NOBODY was talking about anything but '11 GT500s. Back. Track.

Edit: And I like how you erased your post about me being a "Mustang owner," like that was justification for you arguing with me for no reason at all. Smooth move, guess I should have quoted you.
First off. You have way to much time on your hands and all your whole quoting there proved nothing except that he proved my point right. Your arguing for no reason. And I never deleted any post so idk wtf your talking about. I'm sorry your jelous of ur daddy ohioborn getting me to agree with him. No one agrees with you cuz ur a little bitch
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
And where do you get more power then the CTS-V?
Like the future GT500 numbers, it is still just a rumor.

GM is currently describing the power level as "at least 550hp."

The most current rumor (credible, but not confirmed by GM), is "North of 570hp."

http://www.lsxtv.com/features/rumor-...l1-hp-numbers/
Read the last paragraph for the rumored power figure.


The quickest time I've seen magazines achieve for the CTS-V is a 12.3 @ 119.
The cool thing is they've done that in the sedan AND the heavier wagon.

Screw the GT500 and the ZL1, I want a damn CTS-V Wagon.
If I'm going to drive something that weighs over 3800lbs, it better be somewhat convenient and luxurious.
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
I highly doubt that number, but they do pick up really well with just tunes
This local vette owner had his 08Z dynoed and tuned at the same shop mine was, pulled 428whp bone stock, 462whp with a tune only. Like you said 40-50 is a bit much but they do respond nicely.
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Originally Posted by DiscerningZ32
Like the future GT500 numbers, it is still just a rumor.

GM is currently describing the power level as "at least 550hp."

The most current rumor (credible, but not confirmed by GM), is "North of 570hp."

http://www.lsxtv.com/features/rumor-...l1-hp-numbers/
Read the last paragraph for the rumored power figure.


The quickest time I've seen magazines achieve for the CTS-V is a 12.3 @ 119.
The cool thing is they've done that in the sedan AND the heavier wagon.

Screw the GT500 and the ZL1, I want a damn CTS-V Wagon.
If I'm going to drive something that weighs over 3800lbs, it better be somewhat convenient and luxurious.
That wagon is ******* badass. I just seen it on the american top gear. It ran 2 tenths faster than the normal ctsv. A 550 hp wagon.



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