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Old 09-07-2011, 10:29 AM
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Ya the HP Freaks M3's are crazy. There is a grey one that i see once in a while were i live that i wont bother, lol. Its amazing that the only other thing they upgrade on the manual trannies are the clutch i think the motor internals are all stock. With as high as it revs and excellent gearing its really a great set up for a turbo.
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Originally Posted by karpetcm
Ya the HP Freaks M3's are crazy. There is a grey one that i see once in a while were i live that i wont bother, lol. Its amazing that the only other thing they upgrade on the manual trannies are the clutch i think the motor internals are all stock. With as high as it revs and excellent gearing its really a great set up for a turbo.
Yep. I know this guy has a built motor also. I talked to him said he has 25k in it. This is his car and his set up on pump gas.
Owner: Jesse Jordan
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Engine: HorsepowerFreaks Fuel system which includes an additional Walbro pump, filter and 6 HPF 750cc high impedance drop in injectors, Denso irridium spark plugs, HPF remote oil pump with stainless high temp feed and return lines
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
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With just looking at spec's there is differences in the 2012 GT-R older GT-R's. HP/tranny's. This could have been why you wasn't thrilled to drive the one you did. 485hp vs 530hp.
I forgot they bumped the new GTR up in HP. It kind of reminds me of the new v8 E92 M3's. They lack TQ down low but they pull nice on top end. I like cars that put you back in the seat when you get on it. The GTR does it but in its own kind of way its hard to explain. I was actually more thrilled when I test drove the 5.0 when it came to the seat of the pants dyno.
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
I forgot they bumped the new GTR up in HP. It kind of reminds me of the new v8 E92 M3's. They lack TQ down low but they pull nice on top end. I like cars that put you back in the seat when you get on it. The GTR does it but in its own kind of way its hard to explain. I was actually more thrilled when I test drove the 5.0 when it came to the seat of the pants dyno.
I know what you mean. That is the one thing I miss about the G8. It had way more TQ then the 5.0. The 5.0 is faster cause of its weight/gearing etc. It still plants you back but not as violent as the G8 did specially when sprayed.

Some of it might just be the way the GT-R shifts and the fact its AWD.

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I know what you mean. That is the one thing I miss about the G8. It had way more TQ then the 5.0. The 5.0 is faster cause of its weight/gearing etc. It still plants you back but not as violent as the G8 did specially when sprayed.
That G8 you had was nasty! We did a little roll from about 30 on Stan Schuelter before.... thought my car was fairly quick until that day.
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That G8 you had was nasty! We did a little roll from about 30 on Stan Schuelter before.... thought my car was fairly quick until that day.
It is still in Killeen. SOme one bought it with everything on it. Minus the Nitrous. It woudl be faster but it has a nitrous tune in it. Guy probably has no clue he lost about 17whp/23wtq with that tune in it. He was just at my wifes dealer getting some work done. He was telling them how fast it was up front. My wife walked in and said hey that is Brad's old G8. Guy still had my old GRRRR8.NET forum stickers on it and everything. HAHA.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
It is still in Killeen. SOme one bought it with everything on it. Minus the Nitrous. It woudl be faster but it has a nitrous tune in it. Guy probably has no clue he lost about 17whp/23wtq with that tune in it. He was just at my wifes dealer getting some work done. He was telling them how fast it was up front. My wife walked in and said hey that is Brad's old G8. Guy still had my old GRRRR8.NET forum stickers on it and everything. HAHA.
Yeah...he tried playing with me on my way to work on 190 while i was on my bike...I could tell it was that car by the oval exhaust. He was pacing me up to about 90....so I was like **** it and gave him the hammer. I mean it's fast as hell I know...but it's not that fast.
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Originally Posted by gixper
Yeah...he tried playing with me on my way to work on 190 while i was on my bike...I could tell it was that car by the oval exhaust. He was pacing me up to about 90....so I was like **** it and gave him the hammer. I mean it's fast as hell I know...but it's not that fast.
YA it was not bike fast...I will find him when I get back. Set him straight first with a race from what replaced it..Then talk to him let him know every detail about the car that used to be mine....LOL
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
Been there twice. I actually test drove a white GTR today, I guess the internet hype around that car had my hopes up but it let me down when I actually got behind the wheel. It lacks TQ and you really don't get the wow factor until you start to approach 110+. Also for the asking price of a used GTR I can find much better cars in my opinion. My father was with me looking at an M5 and he said he wouldn't look twice at a GTR if it passed him on the road. I may keep looking or a may mod this car who knows
You must have been in the wrong gear. It's a high-teen, low-12sec car any day of the year with very aggressive gearing. It's lack of torque isn't nearly as bad as the dead spots in the 6.1s 2nd and 3rd gear. 0-60 in the low 3s.

What is much better for the same price as a used GT-R?

Originally Posted by ohioborn80
With just looking at spec's there is differences in the 2012 GT-R older GT-R's. HP/tranny's. This could have been why you wasn't thrilled to drive the one you did. 485hp vs 530hp.
So high 11s in the low, low 120s? 0-60 in the 2.9 range.
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Originally Posted by Deuuuce
You must have been in the wrong gear. It's a high-teen, low-12sec car any day of the year with very aggressive gearing. It's lack of torque isn't nearly as bad as the dead spots in the 6.1s 2nd and 3rd gear. 0-60 in the low 3s.

What is much better for the same price as a used GT-R?



So high 11s in the low, low 120s? 0-60 in the 2.9 range.
Well I didn't touch any off the management controls so Im not sure if that mattered and I didn't go all out from a dig because it is a test drive and I didn't want to break anything lol. It was like driving a turbo 350z in a way

and cars in my opinion that are better then the GTR in that price range are C6Z, C63 AMG, E63 AMG, M5 and CTSV but thats just me. The SRT8 is starting to boar me under normal driving so Im starting to look around at my options. Maybe even the 6-Speed 392 Challenger but not for what they are going for right now.
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
Well I didn't touch any off the management controls so Im not sure if that mattered and I didn't go all out from a dig because it is a test drive and I didn't want to break anything lol. It was like driving a turbo 350z in a way

and cars in my opinion that are better then the GTR in that price range are C6Z, C63 AMG, E63 AMG, M5 and CTSV but thats just me. The SRT8 is starting to boar me under normal driving so Im starting to look around at my options. Maybe even the 6-Speed 392 Challenger but not for what they are going for right now.
Very respectable choices but I would say the C6Z is the only one that is truly comparable. The AWD is simply awesome for daily driving and consistent launches. The GT-R is quite large though. I was fortunate enough to test drive one and do a write-up.

I grew tired of the sheer size of the Charger myself, although it was a great car to drive daily except for the mileage.
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Originally Posted by Deuuuce
You must have been in the wrong gear. It's a high-teen, low-12sec car any day of the year with very aggressive gearing. It's lack of torque isn't nearly as bad as the dead spots in the 6.1s 2nd and 3rd gear. 0-60 in the low 3s.

What is much better for the same price as a used GT-R?



So high 11s in the low, low 120s? 0-60 in the 2.9 range.
If not mistaken the new GT-R has went like 11.1 bone stock using launch control.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
If not mistaken the new GT-R has went like 11.1 bone stock using launch control.
I don't believe it was that low but mid-11s may be feasible.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Just do.,..WHat have you ran at the track again. Have you hit 13 yet.
I definitely hit 13s and it was in Las Vegas weather
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Originally Posted by regal3.4
I definitely hit 13s and it was in Las Vegas weather
low 13s?
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Speaking of HPF M3's I just got WALKED badly by one last night at the 1/8th im going to upload the video soon he trapped 101 in the 8th in 105* weather
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Originally Posted by NiteRiderWS6
Speaking of HPF M3's I just got WALKED badly by one last night at the 1/8th im going to upload the video soon he trapped 101 in the 8th in 105* weather
WOW..That car is moving..Love to see what it could do with some cooler weather.
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oh and just for ***** and giggles...The GTR has a advantage over the Z and GT500 with it being AWD and them on street tires but they didn't launch any of them hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT2UijpCMs
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new gtr's are fast no question about it, on the street i bet it'd be 99% of stock C6 Z06s it comes across from a dig and prolly close to the same at the track
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
WOW..That car is moving..Love to see what it could do with some cooler weather.
Didn't realize until I watched the video but he almost swerved in my lane so he let off and got back in it and still trapped 101


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