No stock GTR of any year has ever ran quicker than 10.7x@133-134 trap...EVER! The ZR1 has, backed by multiple 10.8/9 runs @ traps in the low 130's. With that said, with all things being equal, and both cars being driven to their FULLEST potential the ZR1 is the faster of the two. Period. OK. Have a nice day and please come back.

 

x2! Some novice guys just don't understand this.

 

The ZR1 has had tires with its mid 10's. And again the GTR has more consistent times more low 11's then the ZR1. And at a track with average drives the GTR wins almost every time. PERIOD. Even with a John Force driving the ZR1 or Ranger the ZR1 loses more then it wins VS a 2012 GTR. That with both show room bone stock.

Add tires to the ZR1 and as said then let the GTR add a tune. GTR still wins. Once start adding modes it is who ever has the most money. And tires is a mod.

 

That's why we have been saying "both cars at their best." At stock engine power with the best available traction for both cars, the ZR1 is capable of out accelerating the GTR. Like you said though, averages are against the ZR1 because the driver is far more involved in getting a good time out of it.

Adding a tune to the GTR is not the same as adding a tire to the ZR1. If you tune the ZR1 and change the pulley to increase boost, that would be equal to a tune on the GTR as it increases boost as well. The GTR is bad *** but let's be realistic here.

 

Why was this thread even put up? It seems like flame bait to me.

 

A tune to tune. Now swapping pulley. Where will it end? As said once start modding it is who every has the bank roll. Adding tires to the ZR1 is a mod. Then people with GTR say well add cold air to us. etc etc etc. Its never ending.

Real world conditions the GTR wins at the track almost every time. Simply as you said cause the ZR1 is not going to launch as easy. The GTR is just to easy to drive. Which well is great if you have one. WIth the trap of the ZR1 stock to stock the roll race goes to the ZR1.

Being RWD it kills the ZR1 just as it does many stock tire cars. The GT500 has hit best of mid 11's on stock tires with a perfect driver. But yet went low 11's with tires. Same for Z06's have went 10's with a good tire swap. The GTR just has some huge advantages bone stock. AWD/AUTO/Launch control.

 

I'm not arguing the fact that RWD makes it harder for the ZR1. You are absolutely right. Real world conditions will allow the GTR to come out on top from a stop 9 out of 10 times. The GTR has launch control, AWD, and a dual clutch trans. There isn't much else that could make it easier. You have guys slamming the rev limiter, blowing the tires away, and missing shifts regularly in ZR1s. There are a lot of crappy drivers out there.

I still stand by the tune/pulley on a ZR1 equals a tune on the GTR. The GTR is increasing boost and dialing everything in with a tune. The ZR1 is increasing boost with a pulley swap and the tune takes care of the rest. Is that not what they are both doing? If you think a tune on a turbo vehicle with electronically controlled wastegates is equal to a tune on everything else without any other consideration, then I don't know what to say. I own a turbo vehicle and a tune on it is most definitely not the same as a tune on my Camaro or supercharged vehicle. No comparison.

 

Holy crap im actually going to agree with ohioborn80!?!?! yes the awd/launch contol and a badass auto are going to be very hard to beat but, nothing is unbeatable! But you cant compare putting a car on a tire and another car getting a tune equal.
Putting a tire on the rwd just gives the car its maximum potential for putting the power to the ground, just like the awd system does for the gtr. Your not adding more power but rather using what you got properly. you cant say that if the gtr was rwd it would still be putting down the same e.t's as it does now with the awd.
Also bang for buck with all these turbo cars now comming with electronic boost controlers from the factory you never going to beat the gains had from a tune on a turbo charged car. Try tuning a turbo charged car with out changing the boost maps/configurations and the gains will be no where near the same!

 

Exactly!

My Syclone is AWD and will give my Camaro hell with its stupid proof launch and auto trans, but it is not faster than my Camaro. You just don't want to be sleeping behind the wheel or my Syclone will be gone. It will consistently lay down 13.5s all day. The same can't be said for a manual trans rear wheel drive car with all the terrible drivers out there.

 

Tunes on both will gain power. Yes! Now of course the GTR is going to gain more. But as I mentioned adding mods to one and not other is that really fair? As I said once mods start going on its any ones race. WHo ever has the deeper pockets win. WHat is the fastest ZR1? I know the GTR has went 8's now and also are at 1300whp.

 

I completely understand what your saying, blame the manufacturer for not supplying the z06/zr1 with some sticky *** tires(stock run craps). about the zr1, i could care less but i know atomic fusion with his z06 had gone 7.75.

 

I think you are calling the tune on the GTR one mod and the ZR1 tune/pulley swap two mods. I don't see it that way. They are both doing the same thing, but the ZR1 needs the pulley to increase boost. Equal tunes would be tuning the GTR for optimum power at stock boost levels and no pulley swap on the ZR1. Seems pretty logical to me. Deepest pockets wins like you said.

I don't know about the ZR1, but I know the Z06 has been in the 8s and we all know an LSX is capable of matching and surpassing 1300whp.

 

Supra

 

There ya go! 7.75 is movin!

 

Yes it is. But then I add the GTR's that are going 8's and 9's are also still DD.



And totally agree. Ford/GM are know for putting tires that there cars can blow off easily.

 

I'm pretty sure the Z06 I mentioned in the 8's is a street car.

In the end, it doesn't matter. It's not like you're doing yourself a disservice by buying any Vette or GTR. They are all amazing with tons of potential.

 

x2
That's kinda exactly what Ohio was saying...

 

Agree. I just wish I could afford a new Z06 or GTR. I would take both over a ZR1. But that just me. F1 with some exhaust on the Z06 and game over.

 

My dad actually owned a C6 Z06 for a few years that I would occasionally hijack when we got together. For a stock car that thing was a monster. As soon as I got back into my Camaro, I would start thinking about mods again because it felt like such a turd.

....and I agree. Z06 over ZR1 for me as well.

 

For the price of used Z06's now, I'd prefer them over a ZR1. However, one has to respect the brute force of the ZR1 out of the box. But that is just my .02. I would never buy a Corvette new because they have such terrible resale value.

I used to hate the newer GTRs, but they have grown a lot on me. Now I love them performance wise, etc. Just not a huge fan of the looks. We'll give it some time. Maybe they will grow on me also. Nissan put out a good product