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Old 01-23-2012, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JeaneGrae
Op, what about dig run? Can that be arranged?

I would also look into a vararam intake with a ported tb. I have a blackwing on my coupe and from what i've seen the vararam reighns supreme on the c5s. Next would more than likely be a Callaway honker, Vortex rammer style intakes. Tehy tend to dyno lower but yield better et's and mph. Thoughts anyone?
I wouldn't mind doing that, or at least starting in 1st, but with the tires he had on at the time, he wouldn't have traction.

I have a blackwing on there right now, I don't think the minimal power increase would be worth switching to a vararam. I'm either gonna throw a cam in there this summer, or step up to a C6Z. We shall see.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Full bolt ons, "BOSS" intake or not, the Zo6 would still pull... Just more. How would it not go any other way?

C5Zs get nasty compared to most competitors above 100mph, 4th-5th gear is where I would stay away from a C5Z.
maybe you missed where I said Z was winning. But as said the mustang shouldn't be scared to go to 5th. Nor is he full bolt ons yet. Boss w/ a dyno tune can make 450whp+. mine made 464whp.


OP how far are you from SAR? be there this Saturday.
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Originally Posted by jbs02somws6
lemons12, you're right about the c5z in these videos, it was starting to walk in 4th, both runs. At least it would've walked the 5.0. I forgot to mention that while 400whp in a c5z is possible,not counting light flywheel and clutch, the drive train does rob more hp than an f-body to the wheels. It'd be cool if someone has this info as I've heard/read it before.


TRUE bone stock C5 base model and Trans Am base model dyno back to back immediately... The Trans Am made more power and torque.
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Originally Posted by badazz99ta
I wouldn't mind doing that, or at least starting in 1st, but with the tires he had on at the time, he wouldn't have traction.

I have a blackwing on there right now, I don't think the minimal power increase would be worth switching to a vararam. I'm either gonna throw a cam in there this summer, or step up to a C6Z. We shall see.
Not knocking you... Just want to point something out.

THIS is why HiO makes so much power than others with a bolt on Ls6.. He wouldn't think twice about doing this swap if it made 1.3 more Rwhp.

Do we know what the 5.0 put down Rwhp?
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I'm either gonna throw a cam in there this summer, or step up to a C6Z. We shall see.
Im w killemall..A stock cammed c5z w full bolt ons is more impressive than a cammed c5z. Your car is plenty impressive as it is so if you're thinking of stepping up who wouldnt choose a c6z?!
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Not knocking you... Just want to point something out.

THIS is why HiO makes so much power than others with a bolt on Ls6.. He wouldn't think twice about doing this swap if it made 1.3 more Rwhp.

Do we know what the 5.0 put down Rwhp?
I understand where you're coming from. If someone has the money to do it, go for it.

The mustang put down 410rwhp. For some reason, he didn't get his torque number.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
maybe you missed where I said Z was winning. But as said the mustang shouldn't be scared to go to 5th. Nor is he full bolt ons yet. Boss w/ a dyno tune can make 450whp+. mine made 464whp.


OP how far are you from SAR? be there this Saturday.
Where exactly is SAR? I'm in Houston. Going to Royal Purple Raceway in Baytown on Friday. The guy in the 5.0 will be there along with a couple of my other buddies. Cammed 2000 SS and a C6 Z06 with cai and a tune. The c6z ran an 11.47 @ 128. He got some sticky tires and is hoping for 10's.
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That little 5.0 surprised me, I have to agree I thought the Vette would have just strolled on the Stang hard. But with just a cam swap for the Vette it would get real ugly for the Stang up top fast.
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Originally Posted by badazz99ta
Where exactly is SAR? I'm in Houston. Going to Royal Purple Raceway in Baytown on Friday. The guy in the 5.0 will be there along with a couple of my other buddies. Cammed 2000 SS and a C6 Z06 with cai and a tune. The c6z ran an 11.47 @ 128. He got some sticky tires and is hoping for 10's.
San Antonio Raceway midnight madness. I hope to get some high 10's with full weight and on 18" rims. We will see. Think my buddies N/A 5.0 will be running also that runs 10's. Trying to get my buddy that just got his C6Z cammed to come.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
That little 5.0 surprised me, I have to agree I thought the Vette would have just strolled on the Stang hard. But with just a cam swap for the Mustang it would get real ugly for the Zo6 fast.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
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lol! Icwhutyadid!
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Great runs! Time to put my cars on a diet now though.
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Sometimes........... I looked at both cars and love the 5.0 just love the camaro a little more. Have to keep modding to make it faster then a stock mustang. Oh, the humanity.
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Bullshit, Hiho said he picked up 15rwhp with his FAST 90 so a FAST 102 should easily pick up 30rwhp on a bolt on LS6. Can you say 470rwhp BOLT ON LS6??? BAM! ************ would be straight nasty! Can you say 11.0@136mph with slight areo mods?!
That would be cooooollllllll!!! Unlike your car that runs good for the 1st 60' then falls on it's face.
Originally Posted by FirebirdTransAm
I'm waiting for the day that the F-body & Vette guys start swapping Ford motors into their cars before I stop talking sh't.
This!!!
Originally Posted by snake95
I was about to say...HiO did it...
I sure did!!
Originally Posted by Redfire 03
430whp for a bolt-on LS6 is being very optimistic. Again, a FAST is not going to gain much on a bolt-on LS6. With a ported FAST in the area of ~7whp and most likely lose a little TQ down low. At that minimal power level the LS6 manifold is not that much of a restriction. Besides a FAST 102 setup new cost about $1300!! LOL
What can't you understand. I went form a ls6 that myself and friends worked. To a self ported fast90 and picked up 13hp at peak a little more than that in some area's and 10tq (405tq at peak)with more tq that that in some area's also. The only place it lost any tq was at very low rpm, like less than 3000. This was a on the dyno change and made multiple pulls to get it right. We fucked with timing and mixture not just at peak power but threw out the rev range. The intake also allowed 200 more rpm....this bitch raps to 7000rpm like nobodies business.
Originally Posted by ohioborn80
maybe you missed where I said Z was winning. But as said the mustang shouldn't be scared to go to 5th. Nor is he full bolt ons yet. Boss w/ a dyno tune can make 450whp+. mine made 464whp.
But yet with all that power you FAILED to hit 120 in the 1/4......that kinda sucks.....dyno queen????? Maybe.


Thanks for the kind words Lemons. Some guys don't understand the details.

Op your car has alot left in it. How much rpm you turning it?
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That would be cooooollllllll!!! Unlike your car that runs good for the 1st 60' then falls on it's face.
What can I say, I don't like playing catch up. And @ you calling 2mph difference falling on it's face when there is a 40rwhp difference in the cars.
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Good runs! as said, 5.0's really move out. Would have really liked seeing this race to the top of 4th, but oh well
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
as Lemons said. ewp, fast set-up, udp turn the rev limit to 7000 and shift @ 6800. That would make a huge difference. Probally near 20hp. I think your tune needs some work also. My ls6 went over 400rwhp the first time on the dyno with poopy mac headers and the stock SLP catback. The gear is'nt a big deal, especially from a roll. I just switched from 4.10 to 3.90 and picked up time. I actually would'nt mind trying some 3.73.
A set of 1.8 rr would get you 6hp. There's a thread where a guy made the swap and redyno'd.

I think with proper tune, 1.8rr, fast 102 a ls6 could get to 430rwhp....maybe a little over.


Not really, 5.0 mph is down a bit and the only ones running record times are completely gutted race cars. c5 zo6's has been high 11's bone stock.

I am going senile. Completely forgot about 1.8 rockers-another tenth hiding there with springs.
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lolz hio is so mad.. Looked like avg results to me if the 5.0 you ran would have put the time and effort you put into your car hio it would have been right there with ya. Boss mani Makes all kinds of power up top guys more bolt-ons for both would give the 5.0 the slight advantage. Would be a good race to watch.
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I'm not mad....I know what happens when the **** right
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
What can I say, I don't like playing catch up. And @ you calling 2mph difference falling on it's face when there is a 40rwhp difference in the cars.
I'm not talkin about his. No secret that a well driven bolt-on ls1 goes over 112 easily. If he could'nt drive it to that then it's his problem.

Oh ye did'nt he wax your *** so bad on the street you thought he had a cam.......lol
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