2003 Z06 full bolt ons vs 2011 5.0 full bolt ons
01-24-2012, 08:13 AM
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01-24-2012, 08:17 AM
#102
01-24-2012, 08:29 AM
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01-24-2012, 08:30 AM
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01-24-2012, 08:42 AM
#108
My personal best mph when my Z28 was a bolt-on car is 114.2 mph, so I know a bolt-on fbody can hit those trap speeds in good air. Calling a car mild mild bolt-on implies lid/catback and nothing else, or something very close to that.
This is not a mild mild bolt-on car by any means. I'm not saying has every bolt-on in the known universe, so let's not get into that debate, but it's car from "mild mild".
Not trying to argue just for the sake of argument, but it sounded like people were just swapping a Magnaflow catback on and then going out and obliterating factory stock fbodies, lol.
This is not a mild mild bolt-on car by any means. I'm not saying has every bolt-on in the known universe, so let's not get into that debate, but it's car from "mild mild".
Not trying to argue just for the sake of argument, but it sounded like people were just swapping a Magnaflow catback on and then going out and obliterating factory stock fbodies, lol.
01-24-2012, 08:48 AM
#110
Staging Lane
Not gonna happen from a roll: stalls hurt trap speed which means they hurt you from a roll. From a low roll however, a 3600+ stall will definitely help you until you wind out 2nd gear then it starts to hurt. I'm not bench racing either, proved it with back to back comparisons before stall/ after stall and again after I changed from a no name stall to a top quality (ie efficient) SS3600 stall. Freeway roll racing is something I cringe at because it's NOT where my car (or any other stalled auto) shines.
01-24-2012, 08:50 AM
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01-24-2012, 09:03 AM
#113
We all forget things at times, it's those that can agree to there mistake and come to an agreement that are the real winners.
Oo and those that put some thought into there setup
Oo and those that put some thought into there setup
01-24-2012, 10:11 AM
#114
both cars are animals... if you ask me. The 5.0 has the motor and gearing advantage. And the Z has the weight and aero advantage. Not that im into bench racing like this. But as far as both cars getting an intake is concerned. The new 5.0 will pick up more power and grab another 500rpm with the boss intake manifold then the z will pick up with a ported fast. So if anything... finishing the bolt ons would swing the 5.0 with the advantage. Ive been a die hard LS guy my whole life... but these new 5.0s are just so incredibly efficient its not even funny. Lets not get into what the boss motors will do. Upper 400s with bolt ons. The ls7 was my dream motor because it was so responsive to even the slightest of free mod/ricer bolt ons. The new boss motor is even more responsive which is why i ended up buying one. But personally i dont think there is a loser in this race. The bolt on c5z is a serious car. Hell a stock c5z is a serious car. The vette wins for having the slight advantage in pull in the race, and of course owning a c5z lol. But the guy in the GT also wins because he has a standard issue bolt on mustang GT and he is right there with the Z. Great races... great results. I would like to see how both cars would do with Intake manifold swaps 
Rematch anyone?
Rematch anyone?
01-24-2012, 11:05 AM
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Aren't you planning a stock cube build with 317's or something like that? A ported 102 would be plenty for a setup like that. Heck a ported 90 or 92 would work great for a max effort 346.
01-24-2012, 11:12 AM
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both cars are animals... if you ask me. The 5.0 has the motor and gearing advantage. And the Z has the weight and aero advantage. Not that im into bench racing like this. But as far as both cars getting an intake is concerned. The new 5.0 will pick up more power and grab another 500rpm with the boss intake manifold then the z will pick up with a ported fast. So if anything... finishing the bolt ons would swing the 5.0 with the advantage. Ive been a die hard LS guy my whole life... but these new 5.0s are just so incredibly efficient its not even funny. Lets not get into what the boss motors will do. Upper 400s with bolt ons. The ls7 was my dream motor because it was so responsive to even the slightest of free mod/ricer bolt ons. The new boss motor is even more responsive which is why i ended up buying one. But personally i dont think there is a loser in this race. The bolt on c5z is a serious car. Hell a stock c5z is a serious car. The vette wins for having the slight advantage in pull in the race, and of course owning a c5z lol. But the guy in the GT also wins because he has a standard issue bolt on mustang GT and he is right there with the Z. Great races... great results. I would like to see how both cars would do with Intake manifold swaps Rematch anyone?
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01-24-2012, 11:52 AM
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65+whp from full exhaust, air intake, and tune. Typical ls7 gains from the same bolt ons are around 55-60whp. Call me a ford fan boy all you want. Just said i was a die hard LS motor fan, its all ive built in my day. Built motor to built motor, yes the ls7 is much stronger... its 2 liters bigger. Thats common sense for principles of air flow. Im not saying any of that. Im saying, stock ls7 to stock Boss 5.0, the boss gains more power from the same bolt ons. But its a built 5 liter out of the box and it will rev 8000+rpm
01-24-2012, 12:12 PM
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The more mods, the more the gap between the two... Power/weight.. Not the count the CI. advantage. The faster the race goes, the more the CI advantage will show.
Machs are extremely close in ET with ls1s, all else equal. They are down 2-3mph on average however.
Every mod added gives even more of a gap in favor of an ls1. Full bolt on VS full bolt on is a pretty good gap between the two. More of a gap in MPH than in ET.
I understand that completely, I also understand most would consider a FAST 102 un-needed on a SI. car. However, they are wrong about "full bolt ons" and whether it is "needed" or not is irrelevant, it makes more power... Even on a bone stock motor.
I will be going with a Super Vic. JR with a 4150 with my next build because FAST is over priced and can't hang with this intake, which I will have far less money in than my ported 102 I had.
I completely understand what you are saying... They are still wrong, and it still makes more power. HiO, me, and a few others in this thread don't care to spend 4 hours and 200$ tweaking something to get another 3Rwhp out of it.... Why? Do that with 5 mods and race the identical setup with someone that was lazy.... You are up 15Rwhp now. It all adds up.
Machs are extremely close in ET with ls1s, all else equal. They are down 2-3mph on average however.
Every mod added gives even more of a gap in favor of an ls1. Full bolt on VS full bolt on is a pretty good gap between the two. More of a gap in MPH than in ET.
I understand that completely, I also understand most would consider a FAST 102 un-needed on a SI. car. However, they are wrong about "full bolt ons" and whether it is "needed" or not is irrelevant, it makes more power... Even on a bone stock motor.
I will be going with a Super Vic. JR with a 4150 with my next build because FAST is over priced and can't hang with this intake, which I will have far less money in than my ported 102 I had.
I completely understand what you are saying... They are still wrong, and it still makes more power. HiO, me, and a few others in this thread don't care to spend 4 hours and 200$ tweaking something to get another 3Rwhp out of it.... Why? Do that with 5 mods and race the identical setup with someone that was lazy.... You are up 15Rwhp now.
It all adds up.