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Old 03-04-2012, 01:06 PM
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i got my times straight from the clock at the end of the track. just cuz you run good there doesnt mean anything when it comes to another track. our track prep sucks and we are not ideal for good times due to the 90+ degrees in the summer and humidity on top of our 1550' elevation. it would be better if we could run at night but they wont let us. but its still fun anyways. we were flooded out last year but im hopin this year will be good.
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What was the 60 ft time? 3 seconds? Never seen an auto ls1 go over 8,8. In the
eighth
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by crmartin99
What was the 60 ft time? 3 seconds? Never seen an auto ls1 go over 8,8. In the
eighth
You must not live at elevation then. Here's my best slip for the A4 SS with street tires...


I won because he red-lit even though I broke out. It was my fastest run ever in that car, because before that I had never gotten better than 14.1.
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Oh yeah, race the neon from a dig. You'll win. From a roll, it depends on what fuel he's using and how well he is tuned.

And a stock turbo neon can hit 300hp, but just barely. The problem is these days you can't tell if it's a stock turbo or not. The big wheel stock turbo cars look just like stock but can trap 120mph. They still run crappy from a dig. Believe me, I've done it all with this car...maxed out stock turbo, big wheel stocker and big turbo.
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:09 PM
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kinda hard to argue with a timeslip id say. thanks man
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:53 PM
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did you guys ever run?
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:55 PM
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By bobs1999ss at 2012-03-04 1 bad ta im stockish as well right down to the paper air filter lol
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hendrixx
^^ do you have any idea what e85 with supporting bolt ons will do for an srt?

no stock turbo srt will ever make over 300whp, but add e85 in there and wow boom there you go.

find out more about the srt. if its stock turbo, not big wheel or anything, and no other power adders, then youll win. a stock turbo will never i repeat never hold more than 17psi and youre not making enough power to beat the camaro.

but dont listen to the guy above me, it WONT give you a good idea of what will happen... that srt with bolt ons and e85 + a real tune is light years ahead of any stg 2 srt.
bs, when i was stock turbo i would spike 22 and hold 20 at redline with an agp wastegate

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Yeah we don't all run at Atco with negative DA... Which track was that? It looks like that was done at near 4500DA. Not many people even understand the impact that makes so your times easily muddy the situation.

I just don't make it habit to compare high DA times of one car to sea level times of another.

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Originally Posted by hugger1975
at all the "stock" comments & pics.
I lost it on the skinnies pic

*on my way to OH*
im in cleveland ohio. once i get my tick stage 1 rebuild done and my ls7 clutch installed. i have a lid and no muffler. thats it.

but once i get my car out im gonna drive it for probably 2 weeks then ill be C/I/E and tuned. maybe spray. should be on the streets at the end of may. if you want to race then. but you are a far drive just for a race
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I'm to lazy to drive 10mi for a race

at elevation comment, most don't get it.
I was so mad after I cammed the hugger and ran a 13.3 in colorado!
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Il sucks during the summer but spring/fall we manage to get near sea level conditions. I would never live somewhere with high elevation/high DA all year. Car feels pathetic enough without help.
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Lol @ this thread
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Yeah we don't all run at Atco with negative DA... Which track was that? It looks like that was done at near 4500DA. Not many people even understand the impact that makes so your times easily muddy the situation.

I just don't make it habit to compare high DA times of one car to sea level times of another.
SIR Tucson, AZ. DA is typically above 4k. Track is at 3075ft to start with and it's usually warm and dry...
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Il sucks during the summer but spring/fall we manage to get near sea level conditions. I would never live somewhere with high elevation/high DA all year. Car feels pathetic enough without help.
This is why we have turbos. My 4cyl car would trash most of the cars on the road here, including most muscle and sports cars. Since this is a poor bassackwards town, there aren't hardly any vipers, ZR1s, lambos or many souped up street cars at all.
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If not mistaken FI still suffers just not as much. Would be nice to make power most of the time though instead of a few months a year.
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Here is my buddies 2001 BONE stock camaro vs another friends bolt on SRT-4 from a roll and dig

SRT4: @17 psi, 3" turboback, intake, FMIC, and some more stuff i cant think of.
Camaro: stock 2001 SS package
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnVYm...eature=related





Here is my Bolt on Camaro vs My brothers Bolt on e-85 SRT-4
My Camaro: Full bolt on
SRT4: Full bolt on, e85, spikes @ 21 psi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml_B6RgkdI0



AND here is my Camaro vs my buddies stock Camaro.. Just to give you an idea of the difference lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wep0I8ffQ5w
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Originally Posted by ozzy1
bs, when i was stock turbo i would spike 22 and hold 20 at redline with an agp wastegate
LOL

first off, you trust your stock SRT gauge to read correctly?

and second, ive been talking to my buddy who helped me build my 12 sec first gen swap. and has just torn down his 410whp build to come in anywhere from 5-700whp ths year.

"dude its physically impossible if you do the math from the flow though the motor and what the turbo can flow, to hold more than 14.6 psi without e85 or a ported housing or some other mods to the turbo. It just will not happen with stock turbo/manifold.

he himself doesnt trust his autometer gauge let alone a stock srt gauge. he only trusts the DSP.

so mr. SRT why dont you go look on the SRTforums and figure it out for yourself before you start callng bs.

his srt used to spike 30psi and drop to 16 on stock turbo making a whopping 272whp and 350wtq.

and as to the other guy that posted. the chances of a stock srt turbo hitting 300whp without meth is like 0 lol.. anyone you ever see do that, give them a ******* award made of gold

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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
If not mistaken FI still suffers just not as much. Would be nice to make power most of the time though instead of a few months a year.
Yeah, FI guys can just turn up the boost though.
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Originally Posted by hendrixx
the chances of a stock srt turbo hitting 300whp without meth is like 0 lol
....and e85. I've heard of just pump gas srt4's with stock turbo's hitting over 300 to the wheels. mainly on the calibers.. if theres any difference..

My brothers peon put down 343/444, full bolt on, e85.
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