2000 Firebird Trans Am WS.6 vs. 2011 Mustang GT 5.0
03-26-2012, 09:07 AM
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03-26-2012, 09:14 AM
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pulleys helped them a bit, but they also created other problems. mostly charging problems, and in extreme cases i saw a couple guys overheat due to pulleys. i had one guy had me install them, against my advice. he lasted 6 months, before he finally brought it back and had me remove them.
03-26-2012, 09:16 AM
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03-26-2012, 09:19 AM
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308s were an option on stick cars and 327s on autos
I agree-to hell with that. I actually ran race pulleys for ten years with stock alternator and had no problems-weird. I did ditch the air pump in later years since I didn't have cats
to be honest, one of the things that mustang guys liked to do, was to install a short belt, bypassing the a/c....which was pretty stupid, because the compressor cut off under wide open throttle anyway....thus they gained nothing.
pulleys helped them a bit, but they also created other problems. mostly charging problems, and in extreme cases i saw a couple guys overheat due to pulleys. i had one guy had me install them, against my advice. he lasted 6 months, before he finally brought it back and had me remove them.
pulleys helped them a bit, but they also created other problems. mostly charging problems, and in extreme cases i saw a couple guys overheat due to pulleys. i had one guy had me install them, against my advice. he lasted 6 months, before he finally brought it back and had me remove them.
03-26-2012, 09:27 AM
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yea....i did run pulleys on mine, as i started modifying it.....but i never installed the alternator pulley. mine had cats, and i never took any of the emissions stuff off........i wanted it to pass inspection legally, and still be fast.
03-26-2012, 09:34 AM
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That was funny, but the answer is "not really." Two things should be blatantly obvious to anybody that visits this forum more than a few times; owning a car does NOT make you an expert, and street races aren't a good way to judge how close two types of cars really are when it comes to performance. Which is perfectly ok, until you start to base "facts" off of those experiences. Is an LS1 F-body strong enough to run with a new Mustang or Camaro? Absolutely. But when it comes down to it, when talking about comparable models, the numbers (which is what should be used to determine which CAR is quicker/faster) show that if both cars are in equally-capable hands, it's a one-sided fight. Is the LS1 a great motor? Hell yeah, I signed up here in the first place to buy one. But the LT1 was hot **** at one point as well, and discussions like this were had comparing those two about fifteen years ago. And we know how that turned out.
I have yet to run into either a new Camaro or 5.0, but with the average times most are running I'm willing to bet the old LS1 will still put up a good fight with both. Hell there's been a couple guys with vids on here with an fbod running with a 5.0 on the street....track's going to be a different story. At least stock for stock. 
03-26-2012, 09:48 AM
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to be honest, one of the things that mustang guys liked to do, was to install a short belt, bypassing the a/c....which was pretty stupid, because the compressor cut off under wide open throttle anyway....thus they gained nothing.
pulleys helped them a bit, but they also created other problems. mostly charging problems, and in extreme cases i saw a couple guys overheat due to pulleys. i had one guy had me install them, against my advice. he lasted 6 months, before he finally brought it back and had me remove them.
pulleys helped them a bit, but they also created other problems. mostly charging problems, and in extreme cases i saw a couple guys overheat due to pulleys. i had one guy had me install them, against my advice. he lasted 6 months, before he finally brought it back and had me remove them.
).. I remember some of the tricks/free mods but didn't know them from experience.
03-26-2012, 09:56 AM
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I went 14.5 at 95MPH stock with my LX back in 1992. I couldn't get it to go past 13.5s on street radials with bolt ons(rockers,GT40 intake,big MAF,full exhaust,355s blah blah). Once I added heads/cam low 13s and in really good air 12.9s could be had on street radials.
If I had a new SS M6 I would get light weight wheels,tune and gears for sure. TOTALLY different car....
If I had a new SS M6 I would get light weight wheels,tune and gears for sure. TOTALLY different car....
03-26-2012, 12:09 PM
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03-26-2012, 12:35 PM
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Funny, with the exception of a few '93 Cobra's, I have never seen a true BOX-STOCK foxbody dip in the low 14's. Out here you would regularly see them in the high 14's at 200-500ft in the winter. I suppose at a East coast track like Cecil or MIR in negative DA you could see some mid-14's but I will never believe a true stock one to run better than that. They were getting SPANKED by the LT1 Camaro/Firebirds, and they were only good for bottom 14's stock. Think about it.
03-26-2012, 12:58 PM
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Near stock notch featured in fast ford magazine in 2004, if you watch it on youtube it gives a better description of what the car has. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=E42wkWt3vBE
03-26-2012, 01:43 PM
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Funny, with the exception of a few '93 Cobra's, I have never seen a true BOX-STOCK foxbody dip in the low 14's. Out here you would regularly see them in the high 14's at 200-500ft in the winter. I suppose at a East coast track like Cecil or MIR in negative DA you could see some mid-14's but I will never believe a true stock one to run better than that. They were getting SPANKED by the LT1 Camaro/Firebirds, and they were only good for bottom 14's stock. Think about it.
03-26-2012, 02:26 PM
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but ya.......even though there's someone here trying to convince himself and you guys that i don't have a clue........i do.
03-26-2012, 02:28 PM
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Funny, with the exception of a few '93 Cobra's, I have never seen a true BOX-STOCK foxbody dip in the low 14's. Out here you would regularly see them in the high 14's at 200-500ft in the winter. I suppose at a East coast track like Cecil or MIR in negative DA you could see some mid-14's but I will never believe a true stock one to run better than that. They were getting SPANKED by the LT1 Camaro/Firebirds, and they were only good for bottom 14's stock. Think about it.
03-26-2012, 03:18 PM
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I used to slap fox body mustangs silly in my Taurus. Before racing I would always ask the drivers why Ford made their v6 family cars faster than their v8 Muscle cars.
I got some interesting responses, but the results were all the same.
I got some interesting responses, but the results were all the same.