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Old 03-25-2012, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
It irritates me when I see this crap. Stock foxes never ran 13's.
lx 5 liters did. gt's did not. lx's were lighter by a few hundred pounds.
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
I heard this a lot back then, stock always included bumped timing, missing belts, missing sway bars, missing interior and on more than 1 occasion sticky tires.
in the case of the lx's, not so. and would you really remove the only belt your car has when running?
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
Exactly! "Stock" for LS enthusiasts has always been different than anything else.

i fixed it for ya.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Funny how those guys forget that. I was around then, I know how they ran. I watched them faid away in my rearview.
so was i. i watched mustangs eat most everything(stock for stock), except grand nationals. i was one of those mustangs....actually, i lost a couple in my 83 when it was stock. mostly to older/modded cars. still not to a stock camaro. and when i say i was stock....i mean bone stock. the way i picked it up from the dealer. not playing the word games that you try to play.
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Originally Posted by Heater
Maybe that goes along the same lines as "Cam Only"
or along the lines of " my car is stock" even though it's lightened, and has a crate motor in it?
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
No way. Only Fox that might run 13s stock in great air was a 93 Cobra. 87-88 Coupes with no options might run low 14s in great air as well




I disagree with that. Some 350TPI Camaros especially the later model Z28s with dual cats and 323s could run low 14s. My 350 Formula did and was an 89 which is not the fastest(non MAF 90 and up were). Some dual cat 305TPIs M5s could run mid 14s as well. Most v8 Camaros from that era were TBI,LG4 or 305 TPI automatics with the peanut cam(TBI cam) hence the bad rap for being slow.i think you just contradicted yourself here. if most were slow, then how does that make it a "bad rap" that they were slow? seems like i may have said what was true then.
A Gt with the same option vs an LX was about a 40 pound difference. Thats a big time myth.

If you knew what you were doing you could get a fast third gen-you just needed to know what engine,trans combo to get. If you were going to mod the car the Mustang was the better choice by far. Way more parts,cheaper and you could run a real tire on the car just beefing up the 8.8. The fbody rears were terrible.



Agree.

the fox body mustang existed from 79 to 93. during that time, mustangs regularly ate camaros stock for stock. in 94, ford dropped the ball BIG time, while chevy came up with an excellent combination, thus turning the tables.

oh yea.....don't forget....as per usual in the camaro vs mustang battle......they installed a larger displacement engine to beat what would be the equivalent mustang.
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
You obviously are to allow your soft side to show like that. Not to mention talk about cars that *I* own. Pathetic loser is more like it.
Are you reading the same posts I am? I didn't talk about your cars...to the contrary, I said I didn't care. Deflate your ego a bit man
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
or along the lines of " my car is stock" even though it's lightened, and has a crate motor in it?
Your an idiot. I never said my car stock. I said the engine is.....wtf is up with you and comprehending. Lx foxes did not run 13's stock and you making youself look dumb by thinking they did. Maybe notch will chime in with his not stock times of a 14.4 in a lx notch car.

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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Your an idiot. I never said my car stock. I said the engine is.....wtf is up with you and comprehending. Lx foxes did not run 13's stock and you making youself look dumb by thinking they did. Maybe notch will chime in with his not stock times of a 14.4 in a lx notch car.
I have to agree my coupe when it was bone stock ran a best of 14.3, with the addition of 373's it went 13.80's. But with the gears though. The car weigh's 3100 without driver.
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
lx 5 liters did. gt's did not. lx's were lighter by a few hundred pounds.
False. Difference in weight between the two trims was nowhere near 300lbs.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
I have to agree my coupe when it was bone stock ran a best of 14.3, with the addition of 373's it went 13.80's. But with the gears though. The car weigh's 3100 without driver.
I have a roughtime believing you went that fast with just gears. It would atleast take bolt-ons to get there and maybe a tire in a full weight car.
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
False. Difference in weight between the two trims was nowhere near 300lbs.
X2. The more he talks the more I realize he don't know wtf he's talking about.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Well first the ws6 wasn't stock. Also hard to compare an auto to manual. Specially on a roll where the auto takes for ever to drop down. 95% of people here has already stated they are not close stock.
What mods did they have that didn't make them close to stock? I thought it was fair, the auto took it from the dig, and the manual took it from the roll?

I own a 01 ws6. And i have raced a Pontiac GXP from both a dig and a roll and I can out on top by the end of second gear by half a car every time. Im pretty sure a GXP is just as fast if not faster than the 5.0.

A 01-02 ws6 is a great race for the 5.0. Any other years the 5.0 will come out on top.
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Originally Posted by Redfire 03
If you don't understand what the term "Cam-only" means in the LT/LS world by now then you'll just never get it...

Yeah, guess I don't understand that; or how you can call someone else a hater
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Originally Posted by Heater
Maybe that goes along the same lines as "Cam Only"
You know what it implies, don't play dumb.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I have a roughtime believing you went that fast with just gears. It would atleast take bolt-ons to get there and maybe a tire in a full weight car.
This is with bolt ons the car had an e-cam which prob hurt me because it had stock e-7 heads at the time. Stock suspension. http://s146.photobucket.com/albums/r...t=HPIM2581.mp4 sorry for the poor quality vid.
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
lx 5 liters did. gt's did not. lx's were lighter by a few hundred pounds.
WRONG. A side spoiler kit doesn't add 200 pounds. It adds 42 pounds. Thats a myth. I weighed both with the same option on the same scale. I have owned my LX since 1991-if anything I should be biased.

Originally Posted by 1ltcap
the fox body mustang existed from 79 to 93. during that time, mustangs regularly ate camaros stock for stock. in 94, ford dropped the ball BIG time, while chevy came up with an excellent combination, thus turning the tables.

oh yea.....don't forget....as per usual in the camaro vs mustang battle......they installed a larger displacement engine to beat what would be the equivalent mustang.
Not true. A 350TPI car was a good run for one

Originally Posted by Redfire 03
False. Difference in weight between the two trims was nowhere near 300lbs.
Agree

Originally Posted by HioSSilver
X2. The more he talks the more I realize he don't know wtf he's talking about.
Agree.


I had a stock 350TPI car. I had a stock LX which I still own to this day. I love my LX but I will not bend the truth. My 350TPI was faster stock. A 305 tpi dual cat 5 speed would have been a good race against my LX. Any other 3rd gen Camaro would have gotten clobbered. With mods the 5.0 Mustang was king-was cheap to make fast and easy and even to this day makes an excellent performance car.. Not so much with the 3rd gen F bodies. Stock computer sucked,rear sucked and parts were hideous price wise and limited in terms of choice. BTW the fastest Pony car from that era was a third gen turbo 89 T/a. In cold air 13.7s at 101MPH easy!!!
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
in the case of the lx's, not so. and would you really remove the only belt your car has when running?
Maybe I was thinking of the 'short belt', lt1 cars could pull the belt.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
X2. The more he talks the more I realize he don't know wtf he's talking about.
Have to agree with you on that one.
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
lx 5 liters did. gt's did not. lx's were lighter by a few hundred pounds.
I've had 7 foxes and no, they did not. Several hundred pounds is not true either.


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