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Old 04-08-2012, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
You can tell by the harmonic balancer and most people use the larger diameter headers. Everything else looks the same, a stroker will have a way deeper exhaust note than a 302.
and you can balance that motor to use either the 28oz or 50 oz balancer so, that's not reliable either. and header size is no guarantee of cubic inches either. there is no way to definitely identify a 347 by looking at it under the hood.
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Hell, I have ran a 408 before and said it was a 302. When most non Ford guys looked under the hood, they couldn't tell the difference. Maybe it was the fogger along with the plate system that worried them, lol.
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Originally Posted by Amazin1
and you can balance that motor to use either the 28oz or 50 oz balancer so, that's not reliable either. and header size is no guarantee of cubic inches either. there is no way to definitely identify a 347 by looking at it under the hood.
You can only use a 28 oz balancer, you cant use the 50oz and as i stated if you read my post right some use the bigger headers , but you can dif tell by the harmonic balancer. Stick to your lt1 knowledge you don't know what you are talking about... with all due respect.
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Originally Posted by Blown383LS1
Hell, I have ran a 408 before and said it was a 302. When most non Ford guys looked under the hood, they couldn't tell the difference. Maybe it was the fogger along with the plate system that worried them, lol.
The intake is wider...on a 351 block.you can see it...
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
The intake is wider...on a 351 block.you can see it...
I know but you would be surprised how many out there don't notice it.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
You can only use a 28 oz balancer, you cant use the 50oz and as i stated if you read my post right some use the bigger headers , but you can dif tell by the harmonic balancer. Stick to your lt1 knowledge you don't know what you are talking about... with all due respect.
you CAN use the 50 oz. it's very rare but people have done it. and i acknowledged that SOME use the bigger headers but, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a 347. and my knowledge is well rounded i've built plenty of motors in my day including 5.0's...just because someone has a 28 oz harmonic balancer, or bigger heads, or bigger headers does not mean it's a 347. it could be a 331, a 306, etc. there is no guarantee...with all due respect.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
It's cool man, not really about me. You should really be able to outrun him on the spray since he sprayed his way to a 11.6 @ 118. I figured he was spraying to get there. Your car should get over 120 pretty easily. The 5.0 runs strong for sure, but you should have him covered.
11.6 @ 118mph is pretty slow for an old 5L Mustang using nitrous to run 11.6's. Mine consistently ran 11.7's @ around 120-122mph with a 308. He's beating that by a 10th and running slower mph. His short times don't look good either, much like mine.

Old 5L's have been running great for decades already. I'm still wondering where you guys get your info that they don't run well, they suck, etc. Mine ran 11.7's without slicks(hence the poor 60's in my case) and I put over 80,000 miles on it before shattering the stock .040 over block. It broke in 1999. I built it in 1995 and popped a few head gaskets along the way. I saw them running 9's as far back as 1992(w/ a power adder). That's not fitting with "suck" unless we're talking about the intake. They're not the greatest engine, but it's respectable because not many engines powered many cars to that kind of ET back then.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
The intake is wider...on a 351 block.you can see it...
2 inches in intake width isn't the easiest thing to notice... HOWEVER, the water outlet housing is the main teller right off the bat. If it looks like a wrench can easily fit in there for removal, it's likely the 351W.
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
11.6 @ 118mph is pretty slow for an old 5L Mustang using nitrous to run 11.6's. Mine consistently ran 11.7's @ around 120-122mph with a 308. He's beating that by a 10th and running slower mph. His short times don't look good either, much like mine.

Old 5L's have been running great for decades already. I'm still wondering where you guys get your info that they don't run well, they suck, etc. Mine ran 11.7's without slicks(hence the poor 60's in my case) and I put over 80,000 miles on it before shattering the stock .040 over block. It broke in 1999. I built it in 1995 and popped a few head gaskets along the way. I saw them running 9's as far back as 1992(w/ a power adder). That's not fitting with "suck" unless we're talking about the intake. They're not the greatest engine, but it's respectable because not many engines powered many cars to that kind of ET back then.
All the reasons you just stated is why they kinda suck to some people. The ONLY reason they were ever so popular was because the weight of the fox body allowed the the engine to move the car. Also the steep 1-2 gearing and a stout rear allowed for good et's and mediocre mph. The engines themselves needed alot of help from the aftermarket to make/sustain the power.

I wonder if anyone ever tpi swapped into a notch?? I bet it would've been a quicker car. I mean we all know how a little extra weight of the sn95 cars bitch slapped the 5.0 to a point it would not have ran with a tpi f-car.
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Have a friend with a t56, h/c/i turbo fox on 8psi it made 380 and 400trq. Thats worse than most cam only setups on here. Car later went on to lose to my friends stock b16 on boost.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
The ONLY reason they were ever so popular was because the weight of the fox body allowed the the engine to move the car. Also the steep 1-2 gearing and a stout rear allowed for good et's and mediocre mph.


Like how you say ONLY, and then list several reasons why
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The weight was the biggest reason. The rear don't come into play until more power is made, hell a 7.5 would even hold up to those. The short 1-2 gear allowed it to multiply what little tq it had and then in 3rd.
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for the day foxbody's were it. you can make whatever excuse you want for weight etc. once the LT1 came out the story changed. the f-body definitely became a nicer, more refined car than the fox with, more cubes and power. you can argue cubes and weight and hp all day long but, that doesn't change the fact that until the LT1 came along, the fox was king. isn't power to weight ratio what its all about?
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Originally Posted by adamantium
Have a friend with a t56, h/c/i turbo fox on 8psi it made 380 and 400trq. Thats worse than most cam only setups on here. Car later went on to lose to my friends stock b16 on boost.
i wish the guy that buoght my customers 87 still brought it here. 306, cammed(no clue which cam), nice heads, and a novi2000. street car, with 10.65 or so timeslips. i can't remember the mph. the max boost i ever saw on that car was about 9psi.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
The weight was the biggest reason. The rear don't come into play until more power is made, hell a 7.5 would even hold up to those. The short 1-2 gear allowed it to multiply what little tq it had and then in 3rd.
a 7.5 would hold up to what?
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A old fox 5.slow.

Amazin, I don't ever remember them being "it". I remember outrunning a whole pile of them. I didn't even have anything fast. Just a v8 Monza with a 305 that came in it. Then I put a 350 in it with the performer cam(basically stockish ****) an intake, not the performer rpm either. The best the car ever went was a 13.8 and I never had a fox outrun it. I'm sure one could somewhere but it wasn't even a good run usually.
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wanna know how many of those 7.5's i replaced because they broke being run behind a stock engine? or how many i broke myself? a LOT.

and what did your v8 monza "with just the 305 that came in it" run? and what'd you do to the car? i've gotten a good enough read on you to pick up on your word games......that monza wasn't stock.
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from 85-92 the camaro couldn't touch those cars. anyone who tries to argue any different is just biased and blind. i've had more than my fair share of fast cars of all brands but during those years mustangs were the cars to have.
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Bullshit

I had both. A TPI 350 dual cat with 327 gears or a 5 speed dual cat 305 hardtop was a good run for a stock non 87-88 coupe/93 Cobra Mustang. Most Camaro V8s at that time were 305 tbi/LG4s which which got mopped up. Mustang LX 5.0 could be had for less money than a decent equipped RS Camaro V8 and the aftermarket was crazy for the car. I paid 15,450 for my LX in 92 on the road which had every option sans auto and leather. Nothing in that price range was even close in a straight line brand new. Couldn't afford a new Z28 and thought they were ugly since 91.

An 89 Turbo Trans Am could run 13s easy in showroom trim too. But it was very expensive.
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
wanna know how many of those 7.5's i replaced because they broke being run behind a stock engine? or how many i broke myself? a LOT.

and what did your v8 monza "with just the 305 that came in it" run? and what'd you do to the car? i've gotten a good enough read on you to pick up on your word games......that monza wasn't stock.
I never said the Monza was stock. All I did to the 305 was put a 4bbl intak/carb( they came with 2bbl) and dual exhaust. It went 15.1 @ 93mph with 2.91 gears. From a roll mustangs were toast back then, from a dig it was close but I could beat them. Remember this was before the aftermarket got a hold of them real good and most were stock or very mildly modded. I never had headers on the car, not even on the 350. That car weighed 3100 with ac/tilt wheel. It was a pretty cool little car.

I don't play word games bud. 7.5 aren't strong, but I've managed to go 11.1 with it in a 6m car. I have broke 2 axles and 2 sets of 4.10's, both gearsets broke under sever wheel hope before I could get out of it. But knowing what I know about them now I think I could get one to live a little better. Maybe your just hard ****.



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