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Old 04-29-2012, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Too thin of oil IMO
Agreed, I'm using a 20W-30 mobil 1 full synthetic in my motor.. Expensive but not as expensive as replacing the engine..
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Originally Posted by odarabla
Agreed, I'm using a 20W-30 mobil 1 full synthetic in my motor.. Expensive but not as expensive as replacing the engine..
my motor was extremely close to stock. so i run what is factory recomended. it has tight bearing clearence from the factory. to thick of oil can hurt it.
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Originally Posted by 92cobranotch
my motor was extremely close to stock. so i run what is factory recomended. it has tight bearing clearence from the factory. to thick of oil can hurt it.
maybe so. I called Katec, Lingenfelte and Mast motorsports and talk to there engineers regarding what they use in there racec engines and when they told me Mobile 1 20W-30 I was sold!!
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A friend of mine runs a turbo mod motor in his Fox Body and told me that when he leans on the tune too much it will eat a rod bearing due to the rod bearing having so little surface area to absorb the shock.

He drops the pan, replaces the bearings and backs his tune up.

I always run Motorcraft 5W-20 in my car. I was told by a engineer many years ago that it is a very good oil.
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Originally Posted by Heater
A friend of mine runs a turbo mod motor in his Fox Body and told me that when he leans on the tune too much it will eat a rod bearing due to the rod bearing having so little surface area to absorb the shock.

He drops the pan, replaces the bearings and backs his tune up.

I always run Motorcraft 5W-20 in my car. I was told by a engineer many years ago that it is a very good oil.
thanks heater! thats the way i look at it. the guys that designed theese things know far more than us ? thats why i went with fords weight. i was gonna use motorcraft but went full synthetic. my tune is 12.0 a/f across the board after 2k rpm. it looks as if he didnt tune below 2k rpm.... and it did have a hicup at 1500 rpm if you brought the rpms up slow
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Nathan Dan has pulled his. Its an 04.
Ill find out how much he wants for it. Has a cracked ringland. 44k on it....
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Originally Posted by 92cobranotch
thanks heater! thats the way i look at it. the guys that designed theese things know far more than us ? thats why i went with fords weight. i was gonna use motorcraft but went full synthetic. my tune is 12.0 a/f across the board after 2k rpm. it looks as if he didnt tune below 2k rpm.... and it did have a hicup at 1500 rpm if you brought the rpms up slow


12.0 is too lean for these engines...especially on a dyno that doesn't properly load the engine.

From what I have been told 11.7 is the ideal A/F ratio for these engines.

Also remember that the blower adds additional heat to the engine and when the engine is usually tuned on a dyno, it is tuned at a more cooler temperature than you will usually ever see in the real world.

I hate that you didn't get what you asked for from your tuner. That's why I did a bunch of research before I took mine to have it tuned. The guy that tuned mine spent over 3 hours tuning it and my car is nothing special as it's just your standard bolt on's (including intake swap ).
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Originally Posted by odarabla
maybe so. I called Katec, Lingenfelte and Mast motorsports and talk to there engineers regarding what they use in there racec engines and when they told me Mobile 1 20W-30 I was sold!!
They recommended this for the LSx platform? Put 10w 30 mobil 1 in my car and it seems to have a bit more of valvetrain noise and lower oil pressure. Hows your car react to the 20w 30?
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Originally Posted by Heater
12.0 is too lean for these engines...especially on a dyno that doesn't properly load the engine.

From what I have been told 11.7 is the ideal A/F ratio for these engines.

Also remember that the blower adds additional heat to the engine and when the engine is usually tuned on a dyno, it is tuned at a more cooler temperature than you will usually ever see in the real world.

I hate that you didn't get what you asked for from your tuner. That's why I did a bunch of research before I took mine to have it tuned. The guy that tuned mine spent over 3 hours tuning it and my car is nothing special as it's just your standard bolt on's (including intake swap ).
makes sense. i hot laped it to.
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probly 10 minute intervals
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Originally Posted by 92cobranotch
my motor was extremely close to stock. so i run what is factory recomended. it has tight bearing clearence from the factory. to thick of oil can hurt it.
No....do some research on why 5w20 is recommended from the factory first. I assure you it's not because of your tight bearing clearances lol.
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Oh and Rotella here for all my cars.
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alot of times on a motor with tight clearences it will starve the top half if 15w40 is used. why didnt you design engines and oil if your beter at theese than the engineer? and whats your opinion on the 12.0 af?
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
No....do some research on why 5w20 is recommended from the factory first. I assure you it's not because of your tight bearing clearances lol.
Fuel mileage is my guess....
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Originally Posted by Heater
12.0 is too lean for these engines...especially on a dyno that doesn't properly load the engine.

From what I have been told 11.7 is the ideal A/F ratio for these engines.

Also remember that the blower adds additional heat to the engine and when the engine is usually tuned on a dyno, it is tuned at a more cooler temperature than you will usually ever see in the real world.

I hate that you didn't get what you asked for from your tuner. That's why I did a bunch of research before I took mine to have it tuned. The guy that tuned mine spent over 3 hours tuning it and my car is nothing special as it's just your standard bolt on's (including intake swap ).
^^^^ This. I already told nathan I didn't like what the tuner did. 11.5s to 11.8s on the dyno with any cars other than N/a. This sucks and I would never wish this on anyone. Putting that kind of money in a car and it does this. Sucks man.


Btw I run Mobil delvac 15w40 in my mach. never uses any oil and I never have any issues.
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Originally Posted by adamantium
They recommended this for the LSx platform? Put 10w 30 mobil 1 in my car and it seems to have a bit more of valvetrain noise and lower oil pressure. Hows your car react to the 20w 30?
I've got mobil in my car now and that's after using 10w30 and 5w30 amsoil. The 5w30 amsoil is quieter than 10w30 mobil...Mobil doesn't seem quite up to par with what it used to be.
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you guys can run your 15w40. i have in everything else i owned. how ever if i spend the money i have on a factory BUILT engine i wouldnt wanna run anything but whats recomended.
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Originally Posted by 92cobranotch
alot of times on a motor with tight clearences it will starve the top half if 15w40 is used. why didnt you design engines and oil if your beter at theese than the engineer? and whats your opinion on the 12.0 af?
You can run pure water for all I care. And run 12.0 on a PD blower car if you want also.
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so ****** funny huh? karmas a bitch keep running your mouth. 1. i trust fords oil recomendations over yours anyhow. 2. i told my tuner to be safe. i didnt get what i asked for. 3. that 15w40 didnt keep your poser 99 cobra from blowing up did it?
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Originally Posted by 92cobranotch
so ****** funny huh? karmas a bitch keep running your mouth. 1. i trust fords oil recomendations over yours anyhow. 2. i told my tuner to be safe. i didnt get what i asked for. 3. that 15w40 didnt keep your poser 99 cobra from blowing up did it?
poser 99 Cobra huh? Atleast mine came with a Cobra motor. Seems yours is more of a poser than mine.


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