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Old 10-25-2012, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BayAreaSS
Good runs!

I wouldn't say ANY h/c ls1 lol

yes I would. I don't care what your car runs or who you have beat. I would put my car against ANY h/c ls1. well, thats full weight...lol. track times and dyno # don't mean anything. btw - we are talking about from a roll on the street.

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Originally Posted by 00silverGTP
yes I would. I don't care what your car runs or who you have beat. I would put my car against any h/c ls1. well, thats full weight...lol. track times and dyno # don't mean anything.
Yeah its completely irrelevant track times or trap speeds clear across america....same goes for dyno numbers....just way to many variables come into play. Your car runs good man.
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Here is a video of me racing a h/c ta that made 433/398 when my car was bolt ons.
http://youtu.be/6o2bYPahgS4

Here is me racing 00silverGTP in this video when I was bolt ons. This car makes alot less power but runs just as strong as the other ta.

http://youtu.be/wtFyUvP347k
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sum ting wong.
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[QUOTE=big hammer;16841159]sum ting wong.[/QUOT

How do you figure?
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Originally Posted by 00silverGTP
yes I would. I don't care what your car runs or who you have beat. I would put my car against ANY h/c ls1. well, thats full weight...lol. track times and dyno # don't mean anything. btw - we are talking about from a roll on the street.
to be honest you couldn't even pull away from a Bolt on LS2 C6, BayAreaSS ran door to door with my Stock C6Z 50-125. I would of freight trained Lilmiller when he was bolt ons
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Maybe one day people will understand no 2 cars are the same. No 2 dynos are the same. You cant say any full bolt on 5.0 will beat any full bolt on h/c ls1...and vise versa... you wanna know who wins the race in the end?


The guy with more money. Theres always something you can do to make a car faster. The term full bolt on is shady in itself... cars are never full bolt on because theres always something you can do to it to make it faster. I know of h/c ls1s that struggle to trap 115. I know of h/c ls1 that trap 130.

No matter how you swing it, the cars in the video are decent running. The 5.0 edged out the TA motor to motor, and the h/c ls2 vette edged out the 5.0 motor to motor. To me... theres nothing wrong with any of the cars. The sooner people realize 5.0s can trap into the 120s with bolt ons, the sooner they will see the light in most races. Hell mine might go into the 120s with ricer mods. That is all
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Great runs, guys! Those 5.0's are STRONG!
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Originally Posted by evangto87
Maybe one day people will understand no 2 cars are the same. No 2 dynos are the same. You cant say any full bolt on 5.0 will beat any full bolt on h/c ls1...and vise versa... you wanna know who wins the race in the end?


The guy with more money. Theres always something you can do to make a car faster. The term full bolt on is shady in itself... cars are never full bolt on because theres always something you can do to it to make it faster. I know of h/c ls1s that struggle to trap 115. I know of h/c ls1 that trap 130.

No matter how you swing it, the cars in the video are decent running. The 5.0 edged out the TA motor to motor, and the h/c ls2 vette edged out the 5.0 motor to motor. To me... theres nothing wrong with any of the cars. The sooner people realize 5.0s can trap into the 120s with bolt ons, the sooner they will see the light in most races. Hell mine might go into the 120s with ricer mods. That is all
ding ding ding we have a winner lol. Its all for fun and none of us go in with the mindset that we have to beat each other. Its just a fun activity to do after work lol.
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Originally Posted by lilmiller74
ding ding ding we have a winner lol. Its all for fun and none of us go in with the mindset that we have to beat each other. Its just a fun activity to do after work lol.
And thats all it ever should be. A little bit a friendly competition... but all in fun.
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Originally Posted by CyberGrey Z28
Great set-up on that 5.0. Can't beat technology, good thing the Gen V LT1 is on its way to restore harmony.
6.2L, 11.5:1 compression from the factory and Direct Injection.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/hot...1_small_block/
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Originally Posted by Coupe Dave
6.2L, 11.5:1 compression from the factory and Direct Injection.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/hot...1_small_block/
If you can... find me an article explaining the crank case pressure recirculation on these motors.
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Originally Posted by Imstock2
How long will you be in ohio for? I'm finishing up my build and should be good by next weekend..
You have that var-ram installed yet? notice a difference? Lilmiller would be awesome if we can head that way next weekend
I'm leaving Nov 2. I am down to run whatever. Win/lose its all good.
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Originally Posted by lilmiller74
I would be down to meet in springfield somewhere, but I dont know the area so I dont know anywhere to race out there.
I haven't been to Springfield in least 20yrs. Don't know the area either. I know it takes me through Bellefontine and they have a lot of highway. That's only about 40 mines for me to get to. Looks like an hour for you.
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Originally Posted by AWDTBSS
to be honest you couldn't even pull away from a Bolt on LS2 C6, BayAreaSS ran door to door with my Stock C6Z 50-125. I would of freight trained Lilmiller when he was bolt ons
bench race much? lol. man I love ls1 tech.
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Originally Posted by evangto87
If you can... find me an article explaining the crank case pressure recirculation on these motors.
I'll try.

Originally Posted by 00silverGTP
bench race much? lol. man I love ls1 tech.
I'll have to agree with AWTBSS. I wouldn't necessarily put a MS3/243 setup at the top of the LS1 food chain imo. It's a solid combo for sure, but there are more proven ones out there. I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself here.
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Ya, cuz not being able to beat a not even full bolt ls2 means u can run next to any h/c ls1. Specially one that runs with c6zs.....
You made a really stupid blanket statement
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Originally Posted by Coupe Dave
I'll try.



I'll have to agree with AWTBSS. I wouldn't necessarily put a MS3/243 setup at the top of the LS1 food chain imo. It's a solid combo for sure, but there are more proven ones out there. I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself here.
please do. Im not a fan of direct injection in the aspect of griming up valves. If they 100% solved that issue, then great... if not... they might be in the same boat as some of the euro guys (cylinder head tear down and cleaning) every 20k miles. If they found a way to filter the oil vapors or something.. factory catch cans maybe. Im curious to know what they did.
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Originally Posted by Coupe Dave
I'll try.



I'll have to agree with AWTBSS. I wouldn't necessarily put a MS3/243 setup at the top of the LS1 food chain imo. It's a solid combo for sure, but there are more proven ones out there. I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself here.
Not saying it is. there is always someone faster, but from the ones ive seen run around here, im confident mine will perform just fine.....

but you agree that a car from cali would beat a car in ohio b/c he thinks so??? lol, Like I said thats bench racing. I bet lilmiller would have loved to run a stock c6z when he was bolt ons.....
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He would be lucky to pull one on motor how his car sits. Real mild H/C LS2 is usually what it takes....bolt ons that's not even a race.


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