Camaro's are trash compared to Eclipse
my girl has a v6 camaro and I told her if there was a bomb and her car was the only one around I'd take my chances running,not that they're all THAT bad but it's kinda disgraceful...like the girl on pimp my ride "OOOO It'll be just like The Fast and the Furious"
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From personal experience the V6 3800 is a stout engine and has 200 HP. It does not comare to the LS1 or LT1 V8s but they hold their own. Same thing used in the Grand Prix GT (the GTP has a SC for another 60 HP).
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I didn't mean to make a "dumbass " thread, I just wanted to see opinions of the Camaro group online. So sorry about that. In my experience watching really fast DSM's I have never been impressed compared to the opinions voiced by owners, or fans. Just to see how fast they are I'm going to race my friend in his GST, the FWD Eclipse, and he is now pushing 15 pounds, instead of whatever stock is. I don't know for sure, thats what I have heard. It should be intersting.
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Most guys on tuners are cool, I've been a member there a while. The problem is, is that you were in the hangout where all the knoobs reside
. The reason that thread is gone is because the mods there don't like putting up with BS ****-waving matches.
And at that a GSX losing to the V6 is pathetic...period...
*edit:are you guys sure you registered on tuners or talk, talk hasn't been accepting new members for a while now
. The reason that thread is gone is because the mods there don't like putting up with BS ****-waving matches. And at that a GSX losing to the V6 is pathetic...period...
*edit:are you guys sure you registered on tuners or talk, talk hasn't been accepting new members for a while now
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Originally Posted by DanSSull
Got your attention huh?
just thought I would show a Camaro forum this, it all started over a forum www.mogomoss.com or www.helixracing.com. It was about DSM: Eclipses, Talon's Lasers, vs the WRX, then one of the Eclipse owners e-mailed a moderator and told him his car is slow, and to never dis the AWD Eclipses, because they always crush V8's
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/sho...threadid=115798
Their forum trashes the V8 and tells us about how they all run times in the quarter mile, which apparently are faster street wise, then drag AWD ever has been, I just thought I would tell fellow Camaro fans, so I don't have to listen to my Camaro be dissed by false facts. I own a 1999 Camaro SS, and love it, but I do respect other cars.
just thought I would show a Camaro forum this, it all started over a forum www.mogomoss.com or www.helixracing.com. It was about DSM: Eclipses, Talon's Lasers, vs the WRX, then one of the Eclipse owners e-mailed a moderator and told him his car is slow, and to never dis the AWD Eclipses, because they always crush V8's
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/sho...threadid=115798
Their forum trashes the V8 and tells us about how they all run times in the quarter mile, which apparently are faster street wise, then drag AWD ever has been, I just thought I would tell fellow Camaro fans, so I don't have to listen to my Camaro be dissed by false facts. I own a 1999 Camaro SS, and love it, but I do respect other cars.
I test drove a '95 Eclipse GSX one day in hopes of buying one, and I came away convinced I'd NEVER buy one! (205-215 HP at the crank.... c'mon!!!) Aftermarket parts do wonders, but there is no way in hell "Z-28s have a tough time running against stock DSMs." 
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Originally Posted by TTT
'97ClipseDSM' is a serious crack smoker. I test drove a '95 Eclipse GSX one day in hopes of buying one, and I came away convinced I'd NEVER buy one! (205-215 HP at the crank.... c'mon!!!) Aftermarket parts do wonders, but there is no way in hell "Z-28s have a tough time running against stock DSMs."
Lots of and on that forum.
I test drove a '95 Eclipse GSX one day in hopes of buying one, and I came away convinced I'd NEVER buy one! (205-215 HP at the crank.... c'mon!!!) Aftermarket parts do wonders, but there is no way in hell "Z-28s have a tough time running against stock DSMs." Lots of
and on that forum.
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Originally Posted by Flat Lined
Most guys on tuners are cool, I've been a member there a while. The problem is, is that you were in the hangout where all the knoobs reside. The reason that thread is gone is because the mods there don't like putting up with BS ****-waving matches.
And at that a GSX losing to the V6 is pathetic...period...
*edit:are you guys sure you registered on tuners or talk, talk hasn't been accepting new members for a while now
. The reason that thread is gone is because the mods there don't like putting up with BS ****-waving matches. And at that a GSX losing to the V6 is pathetic...period...
*edit:are you guys sure you registered on tuners or talk, talk hasn't been accepting new members for a while now
yah know the whole diffrences in displacement is somthing people dont understand. i dont care if it is a v6 minivan point is your racing 2 totaly diffrent rides.
flatt out my oppinion is if you beat a v6 or v8 car in your turboed 4cylinder good for you but there is no sence in being cockey because theres always going to be a faster one around the corner.
the 3800 is no slouche for what it is but i think they would have been far better off using the short star engine. same that they used in the intrigue. and they would have boosted sales like crazy by using the gtp version of the 3800 but you know to each there own.
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Originally Posted by cudaeh
flatt out my oppinion is if you beat a v6 or v8 car in your turboed 4cylinder good for you but there is no sence in being cockey because theres always going to be a faster one around the corner.
the 3800 is no slouche for what it is but i think they would have been far better off using the short star engine. same that they used in the intrigue. and they would have boosted sales like crazy by using the gtp version of the 3800 but you know to each there own.
the 3800 is no slouche for what it is but i think they would have been far better off using the short star engine. same that they used in the intrigue. and they would have boosted sales like crazy by using the gtp version of the 3800 but you know to each there own.
Agreed though with the short star.
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I do agree to an extent with anythread that brings conversation being good, there have been so many ****-matches brought from someone on one site to another that it becomes rediculous.
*yah know the whole diffrences in displacement is somthing people dont understand. *
agreed
*yah know the whole diffrences in displacement is somthing people dont understand. *
agreed
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Originally Posted by 97ClipseDSM
Id love to see that so called "SS" race a skyline..that Skyline would hand him his *** before he can even launch.
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someone correct me if i'm wrong, because i'm hardly an expert, but i believe that it's a low/mid 13 second ride bone stock thanks to awd launch and gobs of torque. however, "bone stock" being with the stock computer programming, which limits the car to 279hp(?) per the "gentleman's agreement" that japanese manufacturers have. apparently if you tune it to put out what the engine is truely capible of, it's about 350hp at the crank with no other mods.
regardless, it is not god's gift to automobile fans... just a really cool car. you've gotta remember that in a crowd of enthusiasts where a 16 second ride is "quick", 15 second ride is impressive, and 14 second ride is fast... something that runs 13s in street trim even BEFORE you put the big aluminum wing, NOS stickers, and body kit on it... well that's something else altogether.. something to dream about and lust after.*
I wonder who they think invented the drag strip. I wonder who they think paved the way for nitrous oxide use on commercial automobile engines (it was originally used in WWII fighter/interceptor airplane engines actually). I wonder if they think speed shops existed before 1994...
*note any 13 second or faster car produced in america, designed by americans, or even with the name of a company originally founded by americans attached to it, does not apply because it is "heavy and slow and old technology" regardless of what times it posts at the track and how badly it can beat your car.
regardless, it is not god's gift to automobile fans... just a really cool car. you've gotta remember that in a crowd of enthusiasts where a 16 second ride is "quick", 15 second ride is impressive, and 14 second ride is fast... something that runs 13s in street trim even BEFORE you put the big aluminum wing, NOS stickers, and body kit on it... well that's something else altogether.. something to dream about and lust after.*
I wonder who they think invented the drag strip. I wonder who they think paved the way for nitrous oxide use on commercial automobile engines (it was originally used in WWII fighter/interceptor airplane engines actually). I wonder if they think speed shops existed before 1994...
*note any 13 second or faster car produced in america, designed by americans, or even with the name of a company originally founded by americans attached to it, does not apply because it is "heavy and slow and old technology" regardless of what times it posts at the track and how badly it can beat your car.
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Originally Posted by Skarecrow
someone correct me if i'm wrong, because i'm hardly an expert, but i believe that it's a low/mid 13 second ride bone stock thanks to awd launch and gobs of torque. however, "bone stock" being with the stock computer programming, which limits the car to 279hp(?) per the "gentleman's agreement" that japanese manufacturers have. apparently if you tune it to put out what the engine is truely capible of, it's about 350hp at the crank with no other mods.
regardless, it is not god's gift to automobile fans... just a really cool car. you've gotta remember that in a crowd of enthusiasts where a 16 second ride is "quick", 15 second ride is impressive, and 14 second ride is fast... something that runs 13s in street trim even BEFORE you put the big aluminum wing, NOS stickers, and body kit on it... well that's something else altogether.. something to dream about and lust after.*
I wonder who they think invented the drag strip. I wonder who they think paved the way for nitrous oxide use on commercial automobile engines (it was originally used in WWII fighter/interceptor airplane engines actually). I wonder if they think speed shops existed before 1994...
*note any 13 second or faster car produced in america, designed by americans, or even with the name of a company originally founded by americans attached to it, does not apply because it is "heavy and slow and old technology" regardless of what times it posts at the track and how badly it can beat your car.
regardless, it is not god's gift to automobile fans... just a really cool car. you've gotta remember that in a crowd of enthusiasts where a 16 second ride is "quick", 15 second ride is impressive, and 14 second ride is fast... something that runs 13s in street trim even BEFORE you put the big aluminum wing, NOS stickers, and body kit on it... well that's something else altogether.. something to dream about and lust after.*
I wonder who they think invented the drag strip. I wonder who they think paved the way for nitrous oxide use on commercial automobile engines (it was originally used in WWII fighter/interceptor airplane engines actually). I wonder if they think speed shops existed before 1994...
*note any 13 second or faster car produced in america, designed by americans, or even with the name of a company originally founded by americans attached to it, does not apply because it is "heavy and slow and old technology" regardless of what times it posts at the track and how badly it can beat your car.
*note any 13 second or faster car produced in america, designed by americans, or even with the name of a company originally founded by americans attached to it, does not apply because it is "heavy and slow and old technology" regardless of what times it posts at the track and how badly it can beat your car.
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Originally Posted by Skarecrow
*note any 13 second or faster car produced in america, designed by americans, or even with the name of a company originally founded by americans attached to it, does not apply because it is "heavy and slow and old technology" regardless of what times it posts at the track and how badly it can beat your car.
but I think I'll take my "slow" domestic, heavy car any day. 
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After reading some of that, I can easily say that some of my friends who are real DSM tuners would laugh in the face of those posers...
DSMs deserve respect. They've been in 8s for a while now (just like the LT1 and LS1). Pretty impressive, IMO. But, those guys are just **** talking uneducated morons, who have probably never been down a drag strip in their entire lives.
DSMs deserve respect. They've been in 8s for a while now (just like the LT1 and LS1). Pretty impressive, IMO. But, those guys are just **** talking uneducated morons, who have probably never been down a drag strip in their entire lives.
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Originally Posted by Flat Lined
I wasn't trying to be cocky, I guess just a little biased. I should've stated stock for stock GSX vs. V6.
Agreed though with the short star.
Agreed though with the short star.
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Originally Posted by 1genCamaro
"But, those guys are just **** talking uneducated morons, who have probably never been down a drag strip in their entire lives."
that's just sad
that's just sad
ouch that hurts a little. ive never been down a drag strip in my life guess i never felt like i had any thing worth running.
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I watched some DSMs run at the track a few weeks ago. Best time of the night was a 15.9. Oh well that was in a newer 98 eclipse turbo no clue on mods had a nasty sounding blow off valve though. My friends 96 silverado managed 13.3 that night on stock tires. 
Maybe their turbos didnt like the weather. 
Maybe their turbos didnt like the weather. 