Camaro's are trash compared to Eclipse
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Originally Posted by Skarecrow
when it comes to dsms, normally it's your GSX and Tsi AWD guys who actually know something about cars, and tend to have fast ones. the base model guys are either compeltely car ignorant, or complete ricers 98% of the time. the GS-T and Tsi (no awd) guys can fall either way, but i find ricish tendencies prevail frequently.
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Heres my eclipse mods:
Ported Big 16g turbo
Spearco FMIC 22x10x3
2.5in o2 eliminator Down pipe w/external wastegate dump
3in race pipe
3in cat back
Walbro 255
550 HKS/Denso injectors
Prothane Motor Mounts
KYB AGX's full hard in front, half in back
S-AFC II with palm Datalogger
K&N W/ 2 3/4in intake pipe
2 1/2in intercooler piping w/Greddy Type S BOV
Magnecore 8.5mm wires w/BPR7es's
Extreme Motorsports Manual boost controller
Tuned for 19lbs 93 octane
Once I get registraion and inspection done, I'm looking to run again!
Ported Big 16g turbo
Spearco FMIC 22x10x3
2.5in o2 eliminator Down pipe w/external wastegate dump
3in race pipe
3in cat back
Walbro 255
550 HKS/Denso injectors
Prothane Motor Mounts
KYB AGX's full hard in front, half in back
S-AFC II with palm Datalogger
K&N W/ 2 3/4in intake pipe
2 1/2in intercooler piping w/Greddy Type S BOV
Magnecore 8.5mm wires w/BPR7es's
Extreme Motorsports Manual boost controller
Tuned for 19lbs 93 octane
Once I get registraion and inspection done, I'm looking to run again!
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From: Wichita Falls, Tx.
I ran a 13.6 @ 104 on the stock turbo (14b), looking to hit mid-high 12's on the new one! Since getting the 16g I've been regretting not getting a 50trim or bigger...but that allows my to save for the LS1. I had figured it would be cheaper to mod my Eclipse but after seeing the aftermarket support for this community, and the about amount of gains for the money, I've been kicking myself in the *** for not just doing this sooner.
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Originally Posted by Flat Lined
Heres my eclipse mods:
Ported Big 16g turbo
Spearco FMIC 22x10x3
2.5in o2 eliminator Down pipe w/external wastegate dump
3in race pipe
3in cat back
Walbro 255
550 HKS/Denso injectors
Prothane Motor Mounts
KYB AGX's full hard in front, half in back
S-AFC II with palm Datalogger
K&N W/ 2 3/4in intake pipe
2 1/2in intercooler piping w/Greddy Type S BOV
Magnecore 8.5mm wires w/BPR7es's
Extreme Motorsports Manual boost controller
Tuned for 19lbs 93 octane
Once I get registraion and inspection done, I'm looking to run again!
Ported Big 16g turbo
Spearco FMIC 22x10x3
2.5in o2 eliminator Down pipe w/external wastegate dump
3in race pipe
3in cat back
Walbro 255
550 HKS/Denso injectors
Prothane Motor Mounts
KYB AGX's full hard in front, half in back
S-AFC II with palm Datalogger
K&N W/ 2 3/4in intake pipe
2 1/2in intercooler piping w/Greddy Type S BOV
Magnecore 8.5mm wires w/BPR7es's
Extreme Motorsports Manual boost controller
Tuned for 19lbs 93 octane
Once I get registraion and inspection done, I'm looking to run again!
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From: NYC
keep in mind,and im sure your all unaware,there are v6 fbodys not only running 11s,but a few others pushing past the 400 lbs/ft or torque,with equal hp to a ls1 vette or fbody with the addition of a turbo on an otherwise stock engine with NO tuning.so with heads,pistons,rods and some tuning some of you here might be a little pissed off at a red light.the 3800 is capable of serious power,were now seeing that.
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Well, there was a long *** thread a while back where the V6 guys were arguing with the V8 guys... There are fast examples of any car out there... just some are more frequently modded then others...
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Originally Posted by Skarecrow
bahahaha
ok ok. while i'm sure that there are, somewhere, a couple street legal imports that can "hand a lingenfelter 427tt it's ***", i can bet money this guy has never seen one, and certainly doesn't own one.
DSMs are nice cars. I almost bought one. I've got a friend who's bro has an 11second dsm, I know what the cars can do... but that forum honestly is reminding me of the SRT-4 guys in a BAD way.
ok ok. while i'm sure that there are, somewhere, a couple street legal imports that can "hand a lingenfelter 427tt it's ***", i can bet money this guy has never seen one, and certainly doesn't own one.
DSMs are nice cars. I almost bought one. I've got a friend who's bro has an 11second dsm, I know what the cars can do... but that forum honestly is reminding me of the SRT-4 guys in a BAD way.
i just do not see a 8.9 sec car being beat by any street legal import
ever, true or not, i refuse to beleive it
Teching In
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From: Wichita Falls, Tx.
Originally Posted by cudaeh
arnt you worried about your trans? every one that i know that has hit the 12 sec mark tends to start blowing trannys.
I figure I'll have enough headaches getting the new car started/done that I can't afford to deal with another
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I have a 96 A4 camaro 3800 v6. My buddy has a 95 GST stock. I'm very good at getting a launch of with my car. I can usually keep up with or sometimes gain a car length on the stock LT1's from a stop. As soon as i hit 4rth gear, at 45 mph, i get killed really bad LOL. 3800 v6 Natural Aspirated top end sucks real bad, the heads exhaust flow too much, cam is weak. They are ment for forced induction.
I always take my friends GST by 1-2 car lengths from a stop, but once i hit 3rd gear, its over for me. He passes me like i wasnt even trying.
The thing that sucks the most about the 3800 v6's is top end power, I mean it sucks so bad. From a stop I can Pull 2-3 car lengths on many cars and they never catch up unless they make more power. the low end torque is very nice. But racing from say a 40 mph roll or more, oh man, its like the engine revs but the car doesnt move.
Hopefully when i get the rest of my turbo system from tiago, and my lsd\3.73 gears installed the game for me will change dramatically. From looking at the old GN's the new 3800 v6 might not be as strong, but it is a very strong engine, it will take abuse. On the good side, the newer 3800 series II\III engines are alot better stock performance\oiling wise than GN engine, and the heads flow amazingly good on the 3800 series II\III. For whatever reason GM opened the exhaust up quite a bit on all the series II\III heads.
I always take my friends GST by 1-2 car lengths from a stop, but once i hit 3rd gear, its over for me. He passes me like i wasnt even trying.
The thing that sucks the most about the 3800 v6's is top end power, I mean it sucks so bad. From a stop I can Pull 2-3 car lengths on many cars and they never catch up unless they make more power. the low end torque is very nice. But racing from say a 40 mph roll or more, oh man, its like the engine revs but the car doesnt move.
Hopefully when i get the rest of my turbo system from tiago, and my lsd\3.73 gears installed the game for me will change dramatically. From looking at the old GN's the new 3800 v6 might not be as strong, but it is a very strong engine, it will take abuse. On the good side, the newer 3800 series II\III engines are alot better stock performance\oiling wise than GN engine, and the heads flow amazingly good on the 3800 series II\III. For whatever reason GM opened the exhaust up quite a bit on all the series II\III heads.
Last edited by BlackRS; Apr 20, 2004 at 02:06 PM.
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Oh, and as far as Stock, or lightly modded GSX's being faster than V8's. haha The GSX's are slower than the stock GST's. you ever see the traps on the GSX's? they suck. only thing they are good for is launching. the GST's are the ones that keep up with LT1's and "some" LS1's. I know this for a fact, because i have sat passenger in my buddys stock GST, he would kill GSX's often from a roll. but the LT1's and stock LS1's, pretty damn even from a roll.
Its those damn turbo cars man lol, peak numbers at low rpm, accelleration is amazing for even a 225 horsepower car.
Its those damn turbo cars man lol, peak numbers at low rpm, accelleration is amazing for even a 225 horsepower car.
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Originally Posted by Supremacy
the 3800 is capable of serious power,were now seeing that.
who cares?
oh and people arnt forgetting that they made v6 fbodys they are just the red headed step children that most of us dont really car about.
if that pops your cherry go you.
other than that
go big or go home
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Of course the 3800 has good power potential, its basically an ancestor of the buick 3.8 LC2 motor
More displacement = always better for making more power. So therefor the LS1 is a better engine.
but its what you do with your displacement that counts.
The 3800 has the strength and enough aftermarket support to make it even stronger\more efficient than the Buick LC2 motor.
http://popularmechanics.com/automoti...nneville_wins/
http://www.intense-racing.com
Now I dont know why v6 and v8 guys fight? Pretty damn soon there is going to alot of v6 owners FWD/RWD with over 400+ maybe 500 WHP from a Turbo, And I for sure will be one of them.
The growing of grand prix owners going to Turbo is also getting bigger.
I for a fact know what the FWD things are capable of doing, slow launch, extremely sick acceleration. from 10-100+ mph
If anything v8 guys should be happy that the v6 guys have something to work with now, if they really like the f-body so much they wouldnt trash the car just because it has a smaller engine.
More displacement = always better for making more power. So therefor the LS1 is a better engine.
but its what you do with your displacement that counts.
The 3800 has the strength and enough aftermarket support to make it even stronger\more efficient than the Buick LC2 motor.
http://popularmechanics.com/automoti...nneville_wins/
http://www.intense-racing.com
Now I dont know why v6 and v8 guys fight? Pretty damn soon there is going to alot of v6 owners FWD/RWD with over 400+ maybe 500 WHP from a Turbo, And I for sure will be one of them.
The growing of grand prix owners going to Turbo is also getting bigger.
I for a fact know what the FWD things are capable of doing, slow launch, extremely sick acceleration. from 10-100+ mph
If anything v8 guys should be happy that the v6 guys have something to work with now, if they really like the f-body so much they wouldnt trash the car just because it has a smaller engine.
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http://popularmechanics.com/automoti...s/index2.phtml
The Bonnie's supercharged 3.8-liter V6 was reworked by Richard Lee of Lee Performance Products to produce more than 600 hp at 6000 rpm. The list of mods is lengthy and includes ported and polished heads, a special crank and rods, and an air-to-air intercooler plumbed in to complement the supercharger.The Hydra-matic 4T65E transaxle was beefed up and modified with a final drive ratio lowered from the stock 2.93:1 to 2.56:1 for a higher top-end speed. "This was an experiment to build horsepower reliably at an unknown level using mainly stock parts," says engine builder Lee. "We didn't have the luxury of aftermarket parts during the development process."
Pretty damn neat if you ask me, not even a fully custom engine and transmission, handling 600 horsepower.
The Bonnie's supercharged 3.8-liter V6 was reworked by Richard Lee of Lee Performance Products to produce more than 600 hp at 6000 rpm. The list of mods is lengthy and includes ported and polished heads, a special crank and rods, and an air-to-air intercooler plumbed in to complement the supercharger.The Hydra-matic 4T65E transaxle was beefed up and modified with a final drive ratio lowered from the stock 2.93:1 to 2.56:1 for a higher top-end speed. "This was an experiment to build horsepower reliably at an unknown level using mainly stock parts," says engine builder Lee. "We didn't have the luxury of aftermarket parts during the development process."
Pretty damn neat if you ask me, not even a fully custom engine and transmission, handling 600 horsepower.
