me vs old 5.0
12-26-2012, 11:39 PM
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The 5.0 guys whom I knew well, back in the late '80s and early '90s, didn't take ANY of the TPIs seriously. The only late model cars that worried them, were the ones packing 3.8 SFI Turbo engines.
12-27-2012, 12:30 AM
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12-27-2012, 09:46 AM
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Go back and look at Mikes cars on the previous page. It took his 5.0 ported heads and a cam to run the same times as the bolt-on Formula. Now we're talkin same mechanic, same driver and style of modding with him leaving his cars stock appearing. That's about as good a comparison as you can get.
12-27-2012, 11:17 AM
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Why??????????
That's about as good a comparison as it gets. Go back and look for yourself. I don't care if it offends anyone, but I don't know why it would.
I think most of these claimed awesome bolt-on or h/c 5.0's were lightened to the extreme. Most 3rdgen f-body guys did'nt go to that extreme, probably due to the added cost over a realitivly cheap 5.0 fox.
If you noticed the one article claimed a 13.9 out of a 1le.
There was a guy at my local track that went 11.8 with a n/a 383 tpi car. That car looked stock the way he had it.
That's about as good a comparison as it gets. Go back and look for yourself. I don't care if it offends anyone, but I don't know why it would.
I think most of these claimed awesome bolt-on or h/c 5.0's were lightened to the extreme. Most 3rdgen f-body guys did'nt go to that extreme, probably due to the added cost over a realitivly cheap 5.0 fox.
If you noticed the one article claimed a 13.9 out of a 1le.
There was a guy at my local track that went 11.8 with a n/a 383 tpi car. That car looked stock the way he had it.
12-27-2012, 11:32 AM
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Just went back and looked at Mikes description. His L98 car did have a cam, but no heads.
Maybe one day I'll find a TPI car to tinker with. A 90-91 vette would be perfect, they could be had with a m6. I bet I could get one very near 12's with just bolt-ons.....maybe in the 12's.
Maybe one day I'll find a TPI car to tinker with. A 90-91 vette would be perfect, they could be had with a m6. I bet I could get one very near 12's with just bolt-ons.....maybe in the 12's.
12-27-2012, 03:49 PM
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They were both about the same modded and stock. Kind of hard to compare them though...
Stock Mustang went mid 14s 95 MPH. Formula went 14.2 but I only did it one. Rest of the times identical. If car was an Iroc it may have been a tad faster due to less weight. Bolt ons were different but et and mph the same(mid to high 13s on radials full weight 99-101MPH). Mustang needed gears and full exhaust to do it. Formula didn't(stock sans gutted cats).
Both cars went high 12s on street radials with heads cams but Mustang had a touch more mph. Formula was still on stock exhaust manifolds(ported) and had stock gears. However Mustang would smash Formula with a tire swap. Rear too weak on Formula to run rear tires plus I had stock gears. Converter wasn't enough. Formula has aluminum heads,bigger valves and more cr than Mustang though(Mustang at the time had cast iron ported GT40 heads-not P head crap though). Mustang ate trans like tires. Formula just had an SLP shift kit in it till it blew and I had it rebuilt.
Mustang was cheaper to buy... hell a TBI RS V8 Camaro was about the same money new and not even in the same league in the straights. My 92 was not as fast stock or with bolt ons as older 5.0s(cam lamer,maf slowed it down, and gained weight). Got my *** kicked by even my dads 1990 LX(hardtop) and friend's speed density 87-88s all the time.
My Formula was not as fast as 90-92 350 cars. I had a battle with a 350 hardtop 92 Z28 dual car 323 geared car and every damn time he beat me by about a car. Backed it up at the track with a 14 flat at 97MPH stock. With bolt ons(we both did the same sans me porting my MAF) and he still got me by a car. Went heads,cam blah blah and blew him to pieces(my cam didn't lope and with stock exhaust it was quiet).
Formula had better brakes and handled much better. Loved the driving position compared to the truck like Mustang. Modding it-Mustang had advantage. More choices and cheaper prices. Cheaper to go fast with by far. Hell only heads for L98 Fbody back then were Vette heads and then intake manifolds were Superram and Mini ram which were so expensive. TPI got bad rap for being slow because people stuck big cams in them with long runner intakes so car lost all the power down low and then still was dead at 5 grand. Then you had to find someone who could cut a a prom for your car. Mustang ECU(MAF) was better and much more forgiving when cammed etc...
91 Vette is a great L98 to pump up(has the newer body on it-looks like an LT1 car) and the 6 speeds with the optional mufflers rated at 250HP which people forgot.. Easy car to get in the 12s with if its an auto. Sticks with tires eat halfshafts and tranny is hard to get parts for
Stock Mustang went mid 14s 95 MPH. Formula went 14.2 but I only did it one. Rest of the times identical. If car was an Iroc it may have been a tad faster due to less weight. Bolt ons were different but et and mph the same(mid to high 13s on radials full weight 99-101MPH). Mustang needed gears and full exhaust to do it. Formula didn't(stock sans gutted cats).
Both cars went high 12s on street radials with heads cams but Mustang had a touch more mph. Formula was still on stock exhaust manifolds(ported) and had stock gears. However Mustang would smash Formula with a tire swap. Rear too weak on Formula to run rear tires plus I had stock gears. Converter wasn't enough. Formula has aluminum heads,bigger valves and more cr than Mustang though(Mustang at the time had cast iron ported GT40 heads-not P head crap though). Mustang ate trans like tires. Formula just had an SLP shift kit in it till it blew and I had it rebuilt.
Mustang was cheaper to buy... hell a TBI RS V8 Camaro was about the same money new and not even in the same league in the straights. My 92 was not as fast stock or with bolt ons as older 5.0s(cam lamer,maf slowed it down, and gained weight). Got my *** kicked by even my dads 1990 LX(hardtop) and friend's speed density 87-88s all the time.
My Formula was not as fast as 90-92 350 cars. I had a battle with a 350 hardtop 92 Z28 dual car 323 geared car and every damn time he beat me by about a car. Backed it up at the track with a 14 flat at 97MPH stock. With bolt ons(we both did the same sans me porting my MAF) and he still got me by a car. Went heads,cam blah blah and blew him to pieces(my cam didn't lope and with stock exhaust it was quiet).
Formula had better brakes and handled much better. Loved the driving position compared to the truck like Mustang. Modding it-Mustang had advantage. More choices and cheaper prices. Cheaper to go fast with by far. Hell only heads for L98 Fbody back then were Vette heads and then intake manifolds were Superram and Mini ram which were so expensive. TPI got bad rap for being slow because people stuck big cams in them with long runner intakes so car lost all the power down low and then still was dead at 5 grand. Then you had to find someone who could cut a a prom for your car. Mustang ECU(MAF) was better and much more forgiving when cammed etc...
91 Vette is a great L98 to pump up(has the newer body on it-looks like an LT1 car) and the 6 speeds with the optional mufflers rated at 250HP which people forgot.. Easy car to get in the 12s with if its an auto. Sticks with tires eat halfshafts and tranny is hard to get parts for
12-27-2012, 06:49 PM
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Those TPI's were dogs. 5.0's were pretty slow too. Even in their day they were considered unimpressive in stock form. The Mustang had an advantange in the aftermarket tho, by a lot actually.
12-27-2012, 11:04 PM
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Both were fun to mess with I'm sure. Mike does a hell of a job with his cars.....even the weird ones getting them to go
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The difference between the 5.0 and tpi is no where near as great as some of you like to think. Mikes cars were pretty dam comparable right down the mod list and time list....except the l98 did'nt need heads OR headers to get there. Pretty god damn impressive when you take that into consideration. Not to mention a auto and a weaker rear. But that rear would never break with a auto and a mild tpi.
I'm gonna keep my eyes open for a 90-91 6speed tpi vette. With bolt-ons I bet it could *** stop the next 20yrs worth of mustangs with bolt-ons.....lmao
.The difference between the 5.0 and tpi is no where near as great as some of you like to think. Mikes cars were pretty dam comparable right down the mod list and time list....except the l98 did'nt need heads OR headers to get there. Pretty god damn impressive when you take that into consideration. Not to mention a auto and a weaker rear. But that rear would never break with a auto and a mild tpi.
I'm gonna keep my eyes open for a 90-91 6speed tpi vette. With bolt-ons I bet it could *** stop the next 20yrs worth of mustangs with bolt-ons.....lmao
