3v vs. SC'd 5th gen, Nitrous LS2 GTO, Procharged Firehawk
01-04-2013, 11:58 AM
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I wouldn't say Angel's car runs like crap..not sure why one would think that?
It's probably the 2nd fastest 5th gen in ABQ..2nd to a built motor with a huge kenne bell. I did see him put almost a full second on an auto twinturbo 5th gen.
Not saying we have a bunch of fast 5th gens, but it seems to run pretty damn strong.
It's probably the 2nd fastest 5th gen in ABQ..2nd to a built motor with a huge kenne bell. I did see him put almost a full second on an auto twinturbo 5th gen.
Not saying we have a bunch of fast 5th gens, but it seems to run pretty damn strong.
01-04-2013, 12:43 PM
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Shrug, I'm sure turbo works just fine. I'm partial to superchargers, tho.
My suggestion is to stay away from the Roush M90 blower and go for something bigger like the Roush TVS2300 or the Whipple. Tho, if I were to do it all over again, I'd probably have just sprayed it. If I were going to build the short block, then I'd definitely do the blower. It's just a lot of money to spend to be limited by the relatively weak short block, imo.
My suggestion is to stay away from the Roush M90 blower and go for something bigger like the Roush TVS2300 or the Whipple. Tho, if I were to do it all over again, I'd probably have just sprayed it. If I were going to build the short block, then I'd definitely do the blower. It's just a lot of money to spend to be limited by the relatively weak short block, imo.
01-04-2013, 01:22 PM
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I wouldn't say Angel's car runs like crap..not sure why one would think that?
It's probably the 2nd fastest 5th gen in ABQ..2nd to a built motor with a huge kenne bell. I did see him put almost a full second on an auto twinturbo 5th gen.
Not saying we have a bunch of fast 5th gens, but it seems to run pretty damn strong.
It's probably the 2nd fastest 5th gen in ABQ..2nd to a built motor with a huge kenne bell. I did see him put almost a full second on an auto twinturbo 5th gen.
Not saying we have a bunch of fast 5th gens, but it seems to run pretty damn strong.
I'm guessing angel only has a tvs2300 and bolt ons meaning it has less rwhp than you and weighs more. Lots of these 5th gen guys don't understand how crucial a cam is for a blower build. IMO you're just wasting your money putting a blower on the car without a blower cam.
01-04-2013, 01:26 PM
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These cars require so much damn work to make run good. It's not hard but most people oversee little things. Like I just posted with a cam and meth you can get like 150-200rwhp+ over what people are making. I mean at 8psi I'm running at over 630rwhp. At 12 I'm hoping to hit 700rwhp on just blower and I have yet to tune aggressively with meth!
Most these "supercharged" camaro5 cars are making 520rwhp and none spend any money on less weight, gearing or suspension so they weigh a colossal heap and are running stock gearing through a blower.
Not trying to take anything away from the 3v. It's fast. But I just like to rant about shitty built 5th gens because people love going off about how slow 5th gens are but use only the shitty built ones to prove their point.
01-04-2013, 01:36 PM
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I'm not taking anything away from your car. It's pretty damn impressive, but the SS should've ate you alive, but 98% of 5th gens are just horribly set up.
I'm guessing angel only has a tvs2300 and bolt ons meaning it has less rwhp than you and weighs more. Lots of these 5th gen guys don't understand how crucial a cam is for a blower build. IMO you're just wasting your money putting a blower on the car without a blower cam.
I'm guessing angel only has a tvs2300 and bolt ons meaning it has less rwhp than you and weighs more. Lots of these 5th gen guys don't understand how crucial a cam is for a blower build. IMO you're just wasting your money putting a blower on the car without a blower cam.
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01-04-2013, 06:20 PM
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I'm not taking anything away from your car. It's pretty damn impressive, but the SS should've ate you alive, but 98% of 5th gens are just horribly set up.
I'm guessing angel only has a tvs2300 and bolt ons meaning it has less rwhp than you and weighs more. Lots of these 5th gen guys don't understand how crucial a cam is for a blower build. IMO you're just wasting your money putting a blower on the car without a blower cam.
I'm guessing angel only has a tvs2300 and bolt ons meaning it has less rwhp than you and weighs more. Lots of these 5th gen guys don't understand how crucial a cam is for a blower build. IMO you're just wasting your money putting a blower on the car without a blower cam.
01-04-2013, 06:47 PM
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You keep thinking that. Stock cam is absolute garbage for boost.
If I can get 630rwhp on an AUTO out of 8psi on a blower cam imagine what a manual can get with a proper setup on 8psi... Damn near 700rwhp if he knows what he is doing.
01-04-2013, 07:22 PM
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90% of the builds are -throw on supercharger, boost 8psi, think im fast-
These cars require so much damn work to make run good. It's not hard but most people oversee little things. Like I just posted with a cam and meth you can get like 150-200rwhp+ over what people are making. I mean at 8psi I'm running at over 630rwhp. At 12 I'm hoping to hit 700rwhp on just blower and I have yet to tune aggressively with meth!
Most these "supercharged" camaro5 cars are making 520rwhp and none spend any money on less weight, gearing or suspension so they weigh a colossal heap and are running stock gearing through a blower.
Not trying to take anything away from the 3v. It's fast. But I just like to rant about shitty built 5th gens because people love going off about how slow 5th gens are but use only the shitty built ones to prove their point.
These cars require so much damn work to make run good. It's not hard but most people oversee little things. Like I just posted with a cam and meth you can get like 150-200rwhp+ over what people are making. I mean at 8psi I'm running at over 630rwhp. At 12 I'm hoping to hit 700rwhp on just blower and I have yet to tune aggressively with meth!
Most these "supercharged" camaro5 cars are making 520rwhp and none spend any money on less weight, gearing or suspension so they weigh a colossal heap and are running stock gearing through a blower.
Not trying to take anything away from the 3v. It's fast. But I just like to rant about shitty built 5th gens because people love going off about how slow 5th gens are but use only the shitty built ones to prove their point.
an otherwise stock 5th gen with a TVS is maybe pulling 500rwhp at 4000+ LBS...
01-04-2013, 07:24 PM
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[QUOTE=2SSARME;17029965 I mean at 8psi I'm running at over 630rwhp. At 12 I'm hoping to hit 700rwhp on just blower and I have yet to tune aggressively with meth!
Not trying to take anything away from the 3v. It's fast. But I just like to rant about shitty built 5th gens because people love going off about how slow 5th gens are but use only the shitty built ones to prove their point.[/QUOTE]
I won't disagree that a blower cam is always a good upgrade.
However, AngelSpeed's car is also making over 600rwhp. I believe 608rwhp was the exact number on that day. Closer to 650rwhp these days, I believe. Just here to dispute that AngelSpeeds car runs like crap, as suggested.
Not trying to take anything away from the 3v. It's fast. But I just like to rant about shitty built 5th gens because people love going off about how slow 5th gens are but use only the shitty built ones to prove their point.[/QUOTE]
I won't disagree that a blower cam is always a good upgrade.
However, AngelSpeed's car is also making over 600rwhp. I believe 608rwhp was the exact number on that day. Closer to 650rwhp these days, I believe. Just here to dispute that AngelSpeeds car runs like crap, as suggested.
01-04-2013, 07:26 PM
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I won't disagree that a blower cam is always a good upgrade.
However, AngelSpeed's car is also making over 600rwhp. I believe 608rwhp was the exact number on that day. Closer to 650rwhp these days, I believe. Just here to dispute that AngelSpeeds car runs like crap, as suggested.
However, AngelSpeed's car is also making over 600rwhp. I believe 608rwhp was the exact number on that day. Closer to 650rwhp these days, I believe. Just here to dispute that AngelSpeeds car runs like crap, as suggested.
Very few 5th gens impress me. The only one that makes me really go WOW is dietcokes. I also like rhinos. And I'm sure camper seems to know what he's doing with his. But 98.9% of 5th gen owners are totally incompetent and building up.
Yes I'm throwing excuses out but you all know it's true.
01-04-2013, 07:27 PM
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It should also be mentioned that ASP's car bests my ET's by 3 tenths and a few mph. But, that's close enough for anything to happen. 
I don't have video of all the times he has beat me, so heres another. lol
I don't have video of all the times he has beat me, so heres another. lol
01-04-2013, 07:33 PM
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Comparing our track times would be futile, we're at 5300ft and our DA's are generally 7500ft+. 100rwhp+ and a full second loss is common up here for cars in the 600rwhp range.
If my short block would stay together at sea level (which it probably wouldnt), it should be well into the 10's...but thats as far as I will go with bench racing.
I just don't see why it's hard to believe that a mustang with 575rwhp would beat a 5th gen with a little over 600rwhp...whilst having a good 400 pound race weight advantage. It's a drivers race at this point.
His Camaro is faster at the track, as proven by his ET's.
If my short block would stay together at sea level (which it probably wouldnt), it should be well into the 10's...but thats as far as I will go with bench racing.
I just don't see why it's hard to believe that a mustang with 575rwhp would beat a 5th gen with a little over 600rwhp...whilst having a good 400 pound race weight advantage. It's a drivers race at this point.
His Camaro is faster at the track, as proven by his ET's.
01-04-2013, 09:59 PM
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Lol I won't think that. I know that. You read what someone says and repeat it. Do you know what you're looking for in a blower cam? Split duration and a wider lsa.. What do stock cams have? Split duration and a wide lsa. Of course a bigger cam with higher ramp rates is going to give you more power. The specs of stock LS cams are good for blowers. Now shut it little rich boy. I'm tired of having to explain everything to you and you than saying ohhh yea your right. Actually read and learn **** or keep ur mouth shut it's that simple
01-04-2013, 11:22 PM
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Lol I won't think that. I know that. You read what someone says and repeat it. Do you know what you're looking for in a blower cam? Split duration and a wider lsa.. What do stock cams have? Split duration and a wide lsa. Of course a bigger cam with higher ramp rates is going to give you more power. The specs of stock LS cams are good for blowers. Now shut it little rich boy. I'm tired of having to explain everything to you and you than saying ohhh yea your right. Actually read and learn **** or keep ur mouth shut it's that simple
lol whatever you say ***.
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01-05-2013, 10:05 AM
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01-05-2013, 07:45 PM
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I have a car that is fast using my brain/mechanic skills and not my wallet to pay others to build my car. I probably have a car with 1/4 of the money in it and as of now has 120mph trap and is awaiting a procharger install. I could dump alot more money in the car, but the way things are going in the world I'd rather put most of it in the bank....
01-05-2013, 08:10 PM
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Comparing our track times would be futile, we're at 5300ft and our DA's are generally 7500ft+. 100rwhp+ and a full second loss is common up here for cars in the 600rwhp range.
If my short block would stay together at sea level (which it probably wouldnt), it should be well into the 10's...but thats as far as I will go with bench racing.
I just don't see why it's hard to believe that a mustang with 575rwhp would beat a 5th gen with a little over 600rwhp...whilst having a good 400 pound race weight advantage. It's a drivers race at this point.
His Camaro is faster at the track, as proven by his ET's.
If my short block would stay together at sea level (which it probably wouldnt), it should be well into the 10's...but thats as far as I will go with bench racing.
I just don't see why it's hard to believe that a mustang with 575rwhp would beat a 5th gen with a little over 600rwhp...whilst having a good 400 pound race weight advantage. It's a drivers race at this point.
His Camaro is faster at the track, as proven by his ET's.
If your blown 3v is out running blown 5th gens.....then there is something not right with the 5th gen. I mean hell....the 5th gen starts out a solid .7 faster when they leave the showroom.
01-05-2013, 08:32 PM
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Correction factor for a n/a car is equal to about 1 tenth per 1000 in da. It's alot less than that for a boosted car......about 1/2. They don't call blowers altitude compensators for nothing.
If your blown 3v is out running blown 5th gens.....then there is something not right with the 5th gen. I mean hell....the 5th gen starts out a solid .7 faster when they leave the showroom.
If your blown 3v is out running blown 5th gens.....then there is something not right with the 5th gen. I mean hell....the 5th gen starts out a solid .7 faster when they leave the showroom.