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Old 05-21-2013 | 09:53 AM
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and I have an 07 R6 lined up for when I get my cam in.
Don't waste your time. If he can ride it will look like you put the car in reverse.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Don't waste your time. If he can ride it will look like you put the car in reverse.
O rlly?

Even from a 60-160 roll?

I thought they trapped like 120ish, and the aero advantage at 60+ would help me alot. Plus he's only had the bike for maybe 2-3 months.
Old 05-21-2013 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 409CISecondGen
O rlly?

Even from a 60-160 roll?

I thought they trapped like 120ish, and the aero advantage at 60+ would help me alot. Plus he's had the bike for maybe 2-3 months.
That should be a mid 120 bike.... At the very worse him starting in 2nd gear.

If you are going to 160 and he is a new rider, you have a good chance pulling back after 130 or so.

From 60 with an experienced rider I'm not sure if you would run it down by 160 or not, it would be worth watching but I would lean towards the bike pretty heavily if I had to choose.

A 40 roll and it would be game over.. The bike would top out before you had time to come around it. With a bad rider, you would have a chance still, rider matters tremendously on a bike. It would take a complete squid to F up a 40/1st gear roll with a sub 125mph car.

Do keep in mind though... It takes a 130mph car to run with, not necessarily beat, a 123-124mph (average rider with modern 600) bike in a normal run. 1st/2nd gear on them, even 600s, are absolutely disgusting.
Old 05-21-2013 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lemons12
That should be a mid 120 bike.... At the very worse him starting in 2nd gear.

If you are going to 160 and he is a new rider, you have a good chance pulling back after 130 or so.

From 60 with an experienced rider I'm not sure if you would run it down by 160 or not, it would be worth watching but I would lean towards the bike pretty heavily if I had to choose.

A 40 roll and it would be game over.. The bike would top out before you had time to come around it. With a bad rider, you would have a chance still, rider matters tremendously on a bike. It would take a complete squid to F up a 40/1st gear roll with a sub 125mph car.

Do keep in mind though... It takes a 130mph car to run with, not necessarily beat, a 123-124mph (average rider with modern 600) bike in a normal run. 1st/2nd gear on them, even 600s, are absolutely disgusting.
Thanks, I will be sure to do as high a roll as possible.
Old 05-21-2013 | 10:29 AM
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beautiful GTO man, always love seeing your car.
Old 05-21-2013 | 10:39 AM
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Nice....I wouldn't even bother to race a bike unless it's a 250 or Harley. Otherwise their just too fast. I do love ******* with the douche Harley riders though.

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Nice....I wouldn't even bother to race a bike unless it's a 250 or Harley. Otherwise their just too fast. I do love ******* with the douche Harley riders though.
If you bring a fast enough car, they aren't too fast.
Old 05-21-2013 | 11:00 AM
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Good kill. Beautiful Goat you got there too.
Old 05-21-2013 | 11:53 AM
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3725 is for an auto GTO with 18's and full options. A manual trans car with the factory 17's is roughly 3650, and if you have longtubes and an aftermarket exhaust, you'll drop even more. I'd say theres less than a 200 lbs difference...maybe 175 tops. I'd weigh your car to get an idea. Guarantee you'll be surprised!
3725 was actually for the stick car with 17s. 3780 was the auto with 17s. My buddy has an ls2 m6 with full exhaust and factory 18s on heavier then stock KDWS. His car currently weighs 4000lbs with him in it. Hes around 200.

BTW... nice kill OP
Old 05-21-2013 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NightmareTA
300 lbs? I'd venture a guess that it's closer to about 100 lbs difference. GTO's aren't that heavy.

Those N/A cobras are turds. Wish I could have seen how bad you actually beat him but the camera never aimed back.
That cobra is probably high 3300s depending on gas. So I would say there is about 200lbs of difference. Those n/a cobras are turds just as a gto can be a turd. Op has a strong running bolton gto and the cobra is a slapped together, under geared, untuned turd.
Old 05-21-2013 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by automach1
That cobra is probably high 3300s depending on gas. So I would say there is about 200lbs of difference. Those n/a cobras are turds just as a gto can be a turd. Op has a strong running bolton gto and the cobra is a slapped together, under geared, untuned turd.
Hint: putting 4.56's or 4.30's or 4.10's or 4.88's or whatever shorter gear would not have helped the cobra in that race at all. Not even a little bit. Granted the stock 3.27's suck but 3.73's is plenty of gear for that car.
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OK right now I'm at 3575 with 1/16-1/8 tank of gas. I weighed 180lbs that day and my passenger was 200 (I'm being generous). That puts me at 3955 for this race.

The Cobras weight 3430 stock, his exhaust cut what? Maybe 60lbs? Lets be generous and say 80lbs. So he's at 3350. He weighed 150lbs, Passenger was about 160. They are at 3660. Roughly 300lbs.
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Keep in mind all factory curb weights are with a full tank of gas... GTOs have 18.5 gallon tanks. So for a GTO, there is more weight to be taken out in the tank then a mustang. I had my GTO down to 3260 without a passenger seat and 3325 with the passenger seat.
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Originally Posted by evangto87
Keep in mind all factory curb weights are with a full tank of gas... GTOs have 18.5 gallon tanks. So for a GTO, there is more weight to be taken out in the tank then a mustang. I had my GTO down to 3260 without a passenger seat and 3325 with the passenger seat.
We both filled up immediately after the race. I usually put in 16.5 gallons. I didn't see what he did, but they have a 15.7 gallon tank I think. Gas makes a difference but 2-3 galllons doesn't weigh too much to make a difference.

I told him delete the spare too, waste of weight.

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Op has a strong running bolton gto and the cobra is a slapped together, under geared, untuned turd.
I agree that his setup is FUBAR. This is the reason he did so poorly. The flowmasters and handheld tuner, what the **** man... He told me he thought he was making 315whp I told him he's not and he might make 320 with a proper exhaust and good tune and every little bolt-on imaginable. More gear probably wouldn't have helped him from a 40 or 60, just make him shift more.
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It would take ALOT more then just a fixed exhaust, more gear and a tune to make that even a race. You literally pulled several cars on him with in like 2 gears.
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Originally Posted by adamantium
It would take ALOT more then just a fixed exhaust, more gear and a tune to make that even a race. You literally pulled several cars on him with in like 2 gears.
I agree but like I said, I wasn't expecting him to lose that bad. Fixing the crap exhaust and crap tune would have helped him alot.
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Originally Posted by 409CISecondGen
I agree but like I said, I wasn't expecting him to lose that bad. Fixing the crap exhaust and crap tune would have helped him alot.
yeah i agree! Those turdmaster mufflers are terrible. My car had one when i bought it and it made more noise in the cabin then outside. Car sounded stock at WOT. Id love to see a re run.
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Originally Posted by V8EATR
Hint: putting 4.56's or 4.30's or 4.10's or 4.88's or whatever shorter gear would not have helped the cobra in that race at all. Not even a little bit. Granted the stock 3.27's suck but 3.73's is plenty of gear for that car.
Hint: Rpm is rpm and it would run better. No 3.73s are not plenty of gear for a bolton 01 cobra.
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Originally Posted by 409CISecondGen
We both filled up immediately after the race. I usually put in 16.5 gallons. I didn't see what he did, but they have a 15.7 gallon tank I think. Gas makes a difference but 2-3 galllons doesn't weigh too much to make a difference.

I told him delete the spare too, waste of weight.



I agree that his setup is FUBAR. This is the reason he did so poorly. The flowmasters and handheld tuner, what the **** man... He told me he thought he was making 315whp I told him he's not and he might make 320 with a proper exhaust and good tune and every little bolt-on imaginable. More gear probably wouldn't have helped him from a 40 or 60, just make him shift more.

His setup blows honestly lol. With the right boltons the car could make decent power and give you a run for your money. Your car runs good for a gto though no doubt He is going to shift the same amount of times. Regardless if it is 3.73s or 4.30s from a 40 and a 60.
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A full bolt on GTO should have no problems pulling a full bolt on 01 cobra assuming the cobra doesn't have retarted weight reduction.


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