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Old 06-13-2013, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Puck
So what you're saying to defend a stock gen1 busa is that a stroked, ported head, cammed, tire, and probably dropped and stretched busa traps ~4mph more then a stock down to the filter 14r? Bolt on s1000's are running those times stock motor.
I thought the '12 14r's trapped in the low 150's bone stock?

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Gen 1 busas are weak by today's standards. New literbikes will pull them stock for stock...sorry if it hurts your feelings, but being over 10 year old tech what do you expect?
That's like saying LT1's are weak by today's standards, which they are, but that's why we have the aftermarket - right? Plenty modded Gen 1 Busa's out there that can hold their own just fine.
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Practice what you preach, cry baby. You don't like critics, don't post dumb races like that. I gave my opinion on a public forum. I'm sorry it upset you?

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last time i checked thnis was the racing section... you dont post nothing about ur car why? oh i get it u dont have a car. you post nothing constructive what so ever so really what does ur opinion matter? it mean jack **** troll boy. keep ur trap shut unless u grow a pair and actually pratice what YOU preach. talk all this trash to all these people and wont race a single soul..thats lame *** ****
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I thought the '12 14r's trapped in the low 150's bone stock?
Yea low 150s are average, jockeys have been 155 though...Gadson went 155 in hot nasty Vegas, but he's probably the best bike drag racer on the planet and I doubt many in the world can do the same on the same track. Just saying it's possible though, as a testament to technology.

Originally Posted by Sleeper Z
That's like saying LT1's are weak by today's standards, which they are, but that's why we have the aftermarket - right? Plenty modded Gen 1 Busa's out there that can hold their own just fine.
I agree, LT1s are slow by today's standards! I only wish we had half the aftermarket busas do. No bike without an HD badge on the side has as large an aftermarket as the Hayabusa, they were legends.
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I would expect the better rider to take the win in this race considering the Busa carrying an extra 160 lbs. Busa being roughly 110 lbs heavier then the 750 and also add another 50 lbs from the rider. Good kill Beans!
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Originally Posted by punishmentcycle
last time i checked thnis was the racing section... you dont post nothing about ur car why? oh i get it u dont have a car. you post nothing constructive what so ever so really what does ur opinion matter? it mean jack **** troll boy. keep ur trap shut unless u grow a pair and actually pratice what YOU preach. talk all this trash to all these people and wont race a single soul..thats lame *** ****
I already proved that I have my car, idiot. And I don't give a **** what anyone thinks of my opinion on here. I'm still entitled to it. It's funny how mad it made you though. I said that him wanting to race that bike, starting in 4th or 5th, was stupid. I didn't say his car was slow or anything. Not sure how that is talking ****. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought evan's races were dumb. Keep riding his sack.
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Down here in Houston, stock 14Rs are NOT trapping 150s... More like 145-146 mph with 190lb suited riders...good riders. Piped, mapped, lowered and geared 14Rs are going 150-151....although I have seen one with a side winder and a 150lb kid riding it go 155mph... It's hardly the norm or average though.

Ofcourse rider weight is everything on these things.. When I first started drag racing bikes back in the late 90s, I was 165lbs suited and was going 150 mph on my gen 1 Busa with yosh cams/pipe... I'd also go 144-145 on a stock motor 01 1000... 10 years later, I'm 195lbs suited and only go 140-141 mph on the same 1000...

Bikes have changed a lot in the last 10 years, hell even the last 5 years, but the mods we were doing back then were quite effective..

Now days, I run my 61", stock height gen 1 Busa and it traps 168-170mph with 1.6 60's and 4.teen 330's on low boost... I'd love to see what it trapped with a track setup, a real clutch and a real front half....let alone put some real boost in it... And it's still just a dinosaur 00' gen 1 Busa..
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Originally Posted by ajrothm

Now days, I run my 61", stock height gen 1 Busa and it traps 168-170mph with 1.6 60's and 4.teen 330's on low boost... I'd love to see what it trapped with a track setup, a real clutch and a real front half....let alone put some real boost in it... And it's still just a dinosaur 00' gen 1 Busa..
Built motor i assume? How much psi, and what size turbo are you using?
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Originally Posted by Puck
So what you're saying to defend a stock gen1 busa is that a stroked, ported head, cammed, tire, and probably dropped and stretched busa traps ~4mph more then a stock down to the filter 14r? Bolt on s1000's are running those times stock motor.

Yea, that really supports your argument .

Gen 1 busas are weak by today's standards. New literbikes will pull them stock for stock...sorry if it hurts your feelings, but being over 10 year old tech what do you expect?
Bolt on s1000's run 159 mph?
I stated I couldn't ride....look at the 60 foot. My friend on a stock hand clutch 60's 1.36 so do the math. P.S. I never got beat by a 14...ever. A decent rider coulda went 8.50's or 8.60's on mine.
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
Down here in Houston, stock 14Rs are NOT trapping 150s... More like 145-146 mph with 190lb suited riders...good riders. Piped, mapped, lowered and geared 14Rs are going 150-151....although I have seen one with a side winder and a 150lb kid riding it go 155mph... It's hardly the norm or average though.

Ofcourse rider weight is everything on these things.. When I first started drag racing bikes back in the late 90s, I was 165lbs suited and was going 150 mph on my gen 1 Busa with yosh cams/pipe... I'd also go 144-145 on a stock motor 01 1000... 10 years later, I'm 195lbs suited and only go 140-141 mph on the same 1000...

Bikes have changed a lot in the last 10 years, hell even the last 5 years, but the mods we were doing back then were quite effective..

Now days, I run my 61", stock height gen 1 Busa and it traps 168-170mph with 1.6 60's and 4.teen 330's on low boost... I'd love to see what it trapped with a track setup, a real clutch and a real front half....let alone put some real boost in it... And it's still just a dinosaur 00' gen 1 Busa..
Down here in FL there are multiple 150's with stock or mild 14rs. Zx1441r.com has a few nasty ones like Lee running 8s on bolt on motors.
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Originally Posted by EZZZE
Bolt on s1000's run 159 mph?
I stated I couldn't ride....look at the 60 foot. My friend on a stock hand clutch 60's 1.36 so do the math. P.S. I never got beat by a 14...ever. A decent rider coulda went 8.50's or 8.60's on mine.
They do 150 stock... add all the necessary equipment to ride the **** out of the bike, coupled with another 15whp... yes they do in fact trap 160 on a stock motor. I want one... but I cant handle the power of a well prepped scooter in reality
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Originally Posted by EZZZE
Bolt on s1000's run 159 mph?
I stated I couldn't ride....look at the 60 foot. My friend on a stock hand clutch 60's 1.36 so do the math. P.S. I never got beat by a 14...ever. A decent rider coulda went 8.50's or 8.60's on mine.
Lmao there are s1ks running 159/160 basically dropped and stretched with a pipe and power commander.

Where have you been the last 4-5 years? Bolt on record for a 14R is 8.52 I think now? That's quicker then your built stroker gen1. Hell, last year someone went 8.62 on stock wheelbase LOL!
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
Down here in Houston, stock 14Rs are NOT trapping 150s... More like 145-146 mph with 190lb suited riders...good riders. Piped, mapped, lowered and geared 14Rs are going 150-151....although I have seen one with a side winder and a 150lb kid riding it go 155mph... It's hardly the norm or average though.

Ofcourse rider weight is everything on these things.. When I first started drag racing bikes back in the late 90s, I was 165lbs suited and was going 150 mph on my gen 1 Busa with yosh cams/pipe... I'd also go 144-145 on a stock motor 01 1000... 10 years later, I'm 195lbs suited and only go 140-141 mph on the same 1000...

Bikes have changed a lot in the last 10 years, hell even the last 5 years, but the mods we were doing back then were quite effective..

Now days, I run my 61", stock height gen 1 Busa and it traps 168-170mph with 1.6 60's and 4.teen 330's on low boost... I'd love to see what it trapped with a track setup, a real clutch and a real front half....let alone put some real boost in it... And it's still just a dinosaur 00' gen 1 Busa..
Yeah, you have a lot left on the table with that 330 foot. Heck, I was getting 3.90's to the 330 with a poor 60 foot myself. But, like you said, it's not a track setup. 170 mph is strolling! You should consider going to at least 64". I could adjust mine from 64" to 68" and rode it both ways on the street. 64 wasn't too bad.....68" would just smoke the tire at almost any speed.
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They do 150 stock... add all the necessary equipment to ride the **** out of the bike, coupled with another 15whp... yes they do in fact trap 160 on a stock motor. I want one... but I cant handle the power of a well prepped scooter in reality
Yep I feel you man.

I have a 14R so it pains me to say that a literbike is basically just as fast as my 1441cc monster. They pull retarded hard up top too for a literbike...
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Originally Posted by Puck
Lmao there are s1ks running 159/160 basically dropped and stretched with a pipe and power commander.

Where have you been the last 4-5 years? Bolt on record for a 14R is 8.52 I think now? That's quicker then your built stroker gen1. Hell, last year someone went 8.62 on stock wheelbase LOL!
I have been out the bike scene since 2007. I know that there are folks like Shine, Gadsen, Grayson, etc. who can run those numbers on stock bikes, but not you.
P.s. post your times on your almighty 14....I noticed the times with YOU riding were missing...LOL
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Originally Posted by EZZZE
I have been out the bike scene since 2007. I know that there are folks like Shine, Gadsen, Grayson, etc. who can run those numbers on stock bikes, but not you.
P.s. post your times on your almighty 14....I noticed the times with YOU riding were missing...LOL
I have only had my 14r for a few months and put 3k on it, never been to the track with it. It's barely broken in . Hell, I can probably put it in TC2 with traction and wheelie control and go WOT off the line and run 9's@ ~145 without trying .
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Originally Posted by EZZZE
Yeah, you have a lot left on the table with that 330 foot. Heck, I was getting 3.90's to the 330 with a poor 60 foot myself. But, like you said, it's not a track setup. 170 mph is strolling! You should consider going to at least 64". I could adjust mine from 64" to 68" and rode it both ways on the street. 64 wasn't too bad.....68" would just smoke the tire at almost any speed.

Yeah mine is really set up for street riding and LSR... I went 225.906 mph at the Texas Mile on only 16 psi, ran out of gear. It's 98% street rider, I even take road trips on it..




My best 1/4 on it is 8.68@170, 1.59 60' and 4.08 330'. My average is 8.80-8.90@166-168 with 1.65 60s and 4.teen 330's.. Stock style hand clutch, tallish 18/42 gearing and stock height front end(strapped some tho)..
That was only on 14 psi boost in 3rd, 4th, 5th..

I'm sure it would go 7.80s@180 with it setup correctly and actually putting some real boost in it. 70", Rock clutch, and really put the boost to it.... But never really been interested in turning it into a drag bike..


I get a laugh out of people quoting ET/MPHs on bikes that they have "seen" run the numbers.... Are the numbers possible with the right setups and right riders? YES... Is it the norm? **** no..

LOL @ 160 mph S1000rr stock motor'd... Yeah, on a 50 shot... Lol

Lets be realistic here... Not quoting ETs/MPHs from Gadson, Schnitz, Shine, Tonglet etc etc...

Hell we have a local kid here that JUST turned 16 yrs old, he went 7.80s on a stock motored gen 1(well two intake cams) Busa on a 100 shot....yeah the bike is 71", Hays, shortnecked and goes 1.18 60's... Should I be quoting a stock motor gen 1 on a 100 shot goes 7.80s? **** no..lol

Let's stay in reality here and stick with real street bikes and normal riders... Not jockies...
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Even referances his personal experience with a gen 1 busa. 8mph faster and not being ridden as hard as the busa. If we are going to compare bikes... we need to compare them with the same riders on them. As far as jockies are concerned... im only 165lbs... and im 20lbs over weight... Id love to pick this bike up and drop 20lbs...
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Originally Posted by evangto87
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BMW S1000RR 1/4 mile performance test with Keith Dennis - YouTube

Even referances his personal experience with a gen 1 busa. 8mph faster and not being ridden as hard as the busa. If we are going to compare bikes... we need to compare them with the same riders on them. As far as jockies are concerned... im only 165lbs... and im 20lbs over weight... Id love to pick this bike up and drop 20lbs...
I personally saw a dropped stretched s1k run multiple 155s at OSW when I was on my zx6. He said he only had it for two months...I was trapping 128s and couldn't 60' better then 1.8 . SWB and stock height with -1/+2 on the short 600 torqueless wonder, so it either bogged bad or yanked the front.

I weigh 165, can't wait to get the 14 on the track.
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Originally Posted by evangto87
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BMW S1000RR 1/4 mile performance test with Keith Dennis - YouTube

Even referances his personal experience with a gen 1 busa. 8mph faster and not being ridden as hard as the busa. If we are going to compare bikes... we need to compare them with the same riders on them. As far as jockies are concerned... im only 165lbs... and im 20lbs over weight... Id love to pick this bike up and drop 20lbs...
I can believe 150 mph out of the S1000rr for sure, especially with 150lb suited rider Shine on it.. There is a HUGE difference between 150 mph and 159-160 mph...

I do believe tho that Shine could pull 159-160 mph in full Brock's "super sport" trim tho...

Once again, not realistic for an average skill/weight rider with your average piped, mapped, lowered/strapped bike.

8 mph faster then a stock gen 1 Busa, ABSOLUTELY... Hell it makes 30 HP more and its 100lbs lighter.... It should run 8-10 mph faster...hell I'd hope so...


If an S1000rr with basic mods would run 160 mph with a full weight rider (180-190lbs suited) , I'd go buy one today....
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Z
$100 you wouldn't run anywhere near what he did on that same bike, even with a diet.



LMAO! This guy knows what he's talking about. Too many buy into these "pro rider" times then get butt hurt when their bike won't run the number with them on it.
wait you mean Im not a pro rider? **** man, this is news to me!


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