sabersaw30

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The evo is probably half the weight of the 500 so i knew that was going to happen.An awd car is hard to beat. The 500 is making alot of power to come around a 137mph trapping car. What does the evo trap? That joker was fast. Full weight 500 to go around the gtr like that has to be trapping in the mid 140s i would say he has to be putting over 900 to the ground.

automach1

Good runs. That's one tired gt500.

6PntHo

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Evo rides out.

adamantium

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The evo traps 150mph, just the other day there was a 1000whp GT500 that couldn't get over the mid 140s. The EVO is full interior from what i know theres nothing major done to it to drop weight. Also that gt500 has no passenger seat.

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Beans

^^Prepped surface is a little different.

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Invo is a regular street tire though, not a drag radial...Ive had the invos and Ive had drag radials and they dont compare in stickyness and I even had the same width back to back. Also keep in mind that viper was launching on invos and cutting 1.4x 60 foots not doing a roll.

GotHemi?

wtf

I dont get why so much hate on the Shelby. Stop looking at just dyno numbers. Yes that GTR made "only" 585whp but it traps 137mph! For that Shelby to come around it its gotta be trapping in the 140's.

Do full weight 1000whp Shelby's typically trap in the mid 150's? Thats what it would have took to beat that Evo...

ohioborn80

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The gt500 makes the power. Its been on several different dyno's at dyno days. Completely built engine 4.0 whipple. To easy to make 1000whp if your willing to drop 30k. It was said before this gt500 went lower 9's at mid 140's on same setup as it raced here besides some bigs/littles. .

Starting in wrong gear cs no traction is going to kill the start. No matter the car. And it came around the gtr pretty easy. But evo least 800lbs lighter, brake boosting, and starting in prime gear gt500 had no chance without a better tire like slicks.

ohioborn80

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An invo on a awd car is totally different then and invo on my rwd car. Ive seen buddies trap low 140's in 700whp evo on street tires.

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My g8 and that viper are rwd and were on invos, not sure what you mean?

evangto87

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And i went 11.4 on sumitomo street tires on a prepped surface but couldnt hook under 60mph on the street. A viper is a bad example as well when talking about a GT500.

To make 1000whp even have a shred of traction on a 19 inch wheel... it will require lightening the nose and adding a couple hundred lbs over the rear end to better transfer weight...even on the roll. GT500s have been extremely nose heavy since they came out. Thats one of the main reason they dont hook even under stock hp.

The only way i can see this car hooking on the street with that power...is an extremely soft tip in style tune (timing etc). Which to me... really isnt 1000whp. Its a tune to impress people on a dyno but doesnt perform near to its potential. IMO, put a real wheel/tire setup on that car and strengthen up that tune. That car setup correctly should have NO problem trapping 150mph.

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Is this a good car to compare? I guess the prepped surface is going to be the excuse and we'll just disregard dig vs roll.

evangto87

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Youre aware they prep the entire track? Not just the first 100 feet?


Automatic turbo cars with better weight transfer on a prepped surface VS a 1000+whp POSITIVE DISPLACEMENT supercharger on the street with horrible weight transfer through a standard trans. A GT500 has an extra 300lbs over the nose of the car over a GT... that has a huge effect on wheel spin. A positive displacement supercharger makes power similar to how nitrous makes power. Its not a centri or turbo car where it can come in softly. So like i said before... im willing to bet that if this car does make this "dyno" number... its tipped in through the tune so it makes power like a centri car.

My boss last year would spin tire from 50 rolls pretty easily on street tires... I went to the track and didnt spin any tire anywhere on the track (track prep) but found a weak suspension setup that caused excessive wheel hop. Same with the GTO. Couldnt hook anywhere below 60mph on the street. Similar to being stuck on ice. Went to the track... 1.71 60 ft.

How many cars do you see with half the hp of this GT500 spin on the street with a smaller size wheel and DR?

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So having momentum vs launching from a dig means nothing when talking about shocking the tires? Idk about anyone else but I notice a traction difference launching from a dig vs rolling at 60 mph.

Ohhhh didnt know you meant only positive displacement cars, youre right, I give up. You could argue that water isnt wet man.

evangto87

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I just gave you 2 perfect example of the exact same cars hooking at the track no problem.. and having useless traction on the street. Youre clearly missing the point about track prep. A dig will have more shock to the tires yes...but that has nothing to do with the fact that you have 100x the grip at the track vs concrete on the street with 0 VHT. All your videos are doing is just backing up my points.

Again... one more time... both of my cars on the exact same tire wouldnt have any issues hooking at the track from 0 mph (working both a clutch and converter flash) but on the street absolutely raping the tires from anything less then 60mph.

4000lb race weight... 1021whp..... cant trap more then mid 140s....


Why? Because Coolaid

It'llrun

Eh... GT500's are cool and all, but I'd choose any number of other cars for drag racing. No, they wouldn't be anything like what it was racing in the video here, but it may be much like the TT 5L that kicked *** in the last video... TURBO is the way to go.

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The videos I posted are from a dig, the launch can make or break traction and how are they backing up your points if you claim a 19in DRAG RADIAL cant hook from a roll but a 20in STREET TIRE can from a stand still...if you shock the tire its easy to get it spinning which is 100x different then rolling into it from 60mph prepped surface or not...yes the prepped surface helps, no one is arguing that but youre trying to compare a rolling start on a drag radial compound to a car with 0 momentum on a street tire.

I really dont know what to tell you about your cars, sucks for you. My car on a baby drag radial hazes the tires from a dig (unprepped road) and doesnt spin at all from 60 (unprepped road) but I only pull a 1.5 60 foot so your street tire 11 second cars must be a better example.

Poppacapp

^This.. plus we have that issue of almost 100% torque hitting the wheels the instant we mash the go pedal. There are a few tricks to get them to hook, but overall, they are a hard car to plant to the road.

Poppacapp

Not really because a 4.0 whipple torque curve will be much different from a turbo setup.