Built/Nitrous Kawasaki Ninja ZX-14 vs TheGodfather Camaro
11-02-2013 | 11:56 AM
#102
It appears so.. But I don't agree with the thoughts of saying you are faster than a zx14 when racing to 180.. Get pulled down the road to 160 is hardly winning a race IMO. The amount of issues a bike has at high speeds is huge and almost any decent car will win if going to 180
11-02-2013 | 01:43 PM
#103
Who races to 180??? A basically stock gen 1 14 racing to 180 is about the dumbest thing he could do...but still losing by 4 cars while getting the hit AND having the car in the wrong gear seems real far fetched.
Anything can happen on the street, but a built/sprayed 14 like in the OP is an 8 second bike and FAR quicker then a PC/exhaust one(that may run mid 9s@145 with a good rider). The aero disadvantage is a lot more dramatic on a 600 or 1000 then a big torquey 14, but a high speed roll is still a disadvantage for the bike.
If you honestly think barely 800rwhp is enough to put 6 cars on a 14 then you need to have your buddy race a few more.
Edit: Post count is zero because threads in SRK don't count
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Anything can happen on the street, but a built/sprayed 14 like in the OP is an 8 second bike and FAR quicker then a PC/exhaust one(that may run mid 9s@145 with a good rider). The aero disadvantage is a lot more dramatic on a 600 or 1000 then a big torquey 14, but a high speed roll is still a disadvantage for the bike.
If you honestly think barely 800rwhp is enough to put 6 cars on a 14 then you need to have your buddy race a few more.
Edit: Post count is zero because threads in SRK don't count
.What is SRK? I let a couple of years pass before coming back in here a while ago and posting. Maybe that is why?
It appears so.. But I don't agree with the thoughts of saying you are faster than a zx14 when racing to 180.. Get pulled down the road to 160 is hardly winning a race IMO. The amount of issues a bike has at high speeds is huge and almost any decent car will win if going to 180
11-02-2013 | 04:38 PM
#104
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and your bitch *** all talk scrub right?
come up here to Norcal with your race car, bring your boyfriend camper to get your money taken and ego bruised
come up here to Norcal with your race car, bring your boyfriend camper to get your money taken and ego bruised
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11-02-2013 | 05:20 PM
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Greetings all. I usually don't post up in these spats but, I find this race interesting and had a couple of thoughts, and a couple of questions.
The biggest reason this thread caught my interest had to do with a race that a buddy of mine had with a lightly modded ZX-14 recently.
I was the chase car, and our cars are just about even. His car is 816RWHP, 347 ci with a YSI. The 14 had exhaust and a power commander (I think?)...the rider was about 160-170lbs. They agreed to go from a 70 roll to 180. Well, at 55 MPH, the bike took off! My buddy had to play catch up because, not only did the bike get a hit, he was not in a proper gear. By the time they hit 180, he had put 4 car lengths on the 14. I can only assume that, in the proper gear, and an even start, the race would have been even worse for the 14.
One thing I want to comment on when it comes to bikes. A few of you are comparing trap speeds. You need to realize that the trap means a lot less when you are running up to 180...unless you are trapping close to that in the 1/4. Aero takes a huge toll on a bike above 120-130.
Okay now for a question. I am assuming that my buddy would have put 6+ cars on the 14 if the race had been clean. I surmise this because the bike jumped over 2 cars out in front. My question is, how much was this particular ZX14 spraying and, would it have been enough to make up a 6 car difference, had he raced my buddy's car?
I know that these two cars are completely different in weight, gearing, and aero...but...would it be that open and shut if a car with close to 900RWHP (or a little less) raced a sprayed ZX14? Thanks in advance!
BTW, I have no idea why my post count says 0...lol. I have been a member here for 6 years...and have never been in trouble!
-Brent
The biggest reason this thread caught my interest had to do with a race that a buddy of mine had with a lightly modded ZX-14 recently.
I was the chase car, and our cars are just about even. His car is 816RWHP, 347 ci with a YSI. The 14 had exhaust and a power commander (I think?)...the rider was about 160-170lbs. They agreed to go from a 70 roll to 180. Well, at 55 MPH, the bike took off! My buddy had to play catch up because, not only did the bike get a hit, he was not in a proper gear. By the time they hit 180, he had put 4 car lengths on the 14. I can only assume that, in the proper gear, and an even start, the race would have been even worse for the 14.
One thing I want to comment on when it comes to bikes. A few of you are comparing trap speeds. You need to realize that the trap means a lot less when you are running up to 180...unless you are trapping close to that in the 1/4. Aero takes a huge toll on a bike above 120-130.
Okay now for a question. I am assuming that my buddy would have put 6+ cars on the 14 if the race had been clean. I surmise this because the bike jumped over 2 cars out in front. My question is, how much was this particular ZX14 spraying and, would it have been enough to make up a 6 car difference, had he raced my buddy's car?
I know that these two cars are completely different in weight, gearing, and aero...but...would it be that open and shut if a car with close to 900RWHP (or a little less) raced a sprayed ZX14? Thanks in advance!
BTW, I have no idea why my post count says 0...lol. I have been a member here for 6 years...and have never been in trouble!
-Brent
I never said he put 6 cars on him...go reread what I typed. He put about 4 on the bike. I'm sorry you think an 816RWHP ZO6 is not up to the task of beating a liter bike. Your statement suggests that you are the typical ignorant fool that only looks at power...and doesn't look at torque, drag coefficient, weight ratios, tires, or anything else. My buddies car weighs in at 3200lbs with him in it and has a great setup...everything from gearing, tire, suspension, and he is an excellent driver...he also traps just over 150. Sorry if you are too ignorant to understand that a stock 14 is 140-145 on a good day...as speed goes up, the Vette will have the advantage. One more thing...a liter bike is 1000cc, not 1400. If you want, I could suggest a good tutor. Let me know.
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i dont know how much the zx14 was spraying, neither both side cared what the other guy had, it was gambling between the two fastest machine on their bracket in our area, the Camaro lifted the head on the very same gear it started on, it was no where near it 100% power at that point. not saying if the camaro was 100% it would have been closer or anything like im just saying that it would be interesting to see what would really happen,
the only really way to find out how you and buddy would stack up against a sprayed zx14 or Busa is to race one,
Who races to 180??? A basically stock gen 1 14 racing to 180 is about the dumbest thing he could do...but still losing by 4 cars while getting the hit AND having the car in the wrong gear seems real far fetched.
Anything can happen on the street, but a built/sprayed 14 like in the OP is an 8 second bike and FAR quicker then a PC/exhaust one(that may run mid 9s@145 with a good rider). The aero disadvantage is a lot more dramatic on a 600 or 1000 then a big torquey 14, but a high speed roll is still a disadvantage for the bike.
If you honestly think barely 800rwhp is enough to put 6 cars on a 14 then you need to have your buddy race a few more.
Edit: Post count is zero because threads in SRK don't count.
Anything can happen on the street, but a built/sprayed 14 like in the OP is an 8 second bike and FAR quicker then a PC/exhaust one(that may run mid 9s@145 with a good rider). The aero disadvantage is a lot more dramatic on a 600 or 1000 then a big torquey 14, but a high speed roll is still a disadvantage for the bike.
If you honestly think barely 800rwhp is enough to put 6 cars on a 14 then you need to have your buddy race a few more.
Edit: Post count is zero because threads in SRK don't count
.at first i too was skeptical about that result, but he did say the Vette trapped in the 150s and you said that a PC/Exhaust ZX14 with a good rider traps 145mph
since we already on the topic of trap speed and dyno numbers, ill show few example what the camaro is capable off with its old set up,
considering a 650whp AWD low reading mustang dyno traps in the low 140s mph trap http://www.sp-power.com/spe750/ and a 920whp AWD mustang dyno traps 159mph http://www.sp-power.com/2012/10/mary...d-only-spe950/
a 789whp GTR build by this same shop with some weight reduction mod vs Camaro with its old set up
60-150mph
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11-02-2013 | 08:29 PM
#107
Come to Kentucky, bring plenty of cash. I'm sure when I'm done I'm sure a few of my buddies would love to win some cash too.
11-03-2013 | 09:05 AM
#110
sounds like you guys got some great running cars, a car that traps over 150mph is well capable of beating big liter bikes so i am not surprised on the result specially a race to 180mph with bolt on PC ZX14
i dont know how much the zx14 was spraying, neither both side cared what the other guy had, it was gambling between the two fastest machine on their bracket in our area, the Camaro lifted the head on the very same gear it started on, it was no where near it 100% power at that point. not saying if the camaro was 100% it would have been closer or anything like im just saying that it would be interesting to see what would really happen,
the only really way to find out how you and buddy would stack up against a sprayed zx14 or Busa is to race one,
to be honest at this power level, 170-180mph is a normal thing,
at first i too was skeptical about that result, but he did say the Vette trapped in the 150s and you said that a PC/Exhaust ZX14 with a good rider traps 145mph
since we already on the topic of trap speed and dyno numbers, ill show few example what the camaro is capable off with its old set up,
considering a 650whp AWD low reading mustang dyno traps in the low 140s mph trap http://www.sp-power.com/spe750/ and a 920whp AWD mustang dyno traps 159mph http://www.sp-power.com/2012/10/mary...d-only-spe950/
a 789whp GTR build by this same shop with some weight reduction mod vs Camaro with its old set up
60-150mph
800HP GTR VS 900HP Supercharged Camaro A.K.A THE GODFATHER - YouTube
i dont know how much the zx14 was spraying, neither both side cared what the other guy had, it was gambling between the two fastest machine on their bracket in our area, the Camaro lifted the head on the very same gear it started on, it was no where near it 100% power at that point. not saying if the camaro was 100% it would have been closer or anything like im just saying that it would be interesting to see what would really happen,
the only really way to find out how you and buddy would stack up against a sprayed zx14 or Busa is to race one,
to be honest at this power level, 170-180mph is a normal thing,
at first i too was skeptical about that result, but he did say the Vette trapped in the 150s and you said that a PC/Exhaust ZX14 with a good rider traps 145mph
since we already on the topic of trap speed and dyno numbers, ill show few example what the camaro is capable off with its old set up,
considering a 650whp AWD low reading mustang dyno traps in the low 140s mph trap http://www.sp-power.com/spe750/ and a 920whp AWD mustang dyno traps 159mph http://www.sp-power.com/2012/10/mary...d-only-spe950/
a 789whp GTR build by this same shop with some weight reduction mod vs Camaro with its old set up
60-150mph
800HP GTR VS 900HP Supercharged Camaro A.K.A THE GODFATHER - YouTube
Is that Video taken over by Parkland? I recognize that Shell Station… Also, that Black Vette, looks like one that used to **** off the straights over in Parkland Golf & CC…
11-03-2013 | 04:23 PM
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its been running since 2 weeks ago it was simple headgasket problem due to overboost lifting the head, just collection few 100 or so miles then off for a retune to make sure its 100%
Turbo ZX14 is too fast haha, no point
your boyfriend camper said he was gonna come up here. now you bitches singing different songs
no, this video was taken nearly 2 years ago here in north california (bayarea) and wrong Vette
Turbo ZX14 is too fast haha, no point
no, this video was taken nearly 2 years ago here in north california (bayarea) and wrong Vette
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11-03-2013 | 04:43 PM
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I'm in the 925 every couple months, would have some buddies who would run your ***.
11-03-2013 | 05:17 PM
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LOL@ this whole ****** thread...
FYI... a bone stock 2012-13 ZX14 will trap 150-152 with a 185lb suited rider.... No pipe, no lowering, no gears...nothing...
I just ran one today on my piped/tuned (185rwhp) S1000RR from a 70 mph roll, he put 3 bikes on me right from the hit(I had to slightly chop the throttle to stop a wheelie/head shake) and I stopped the pull but couldnt make any ground.....We ran to about 165 mph or so.... We were both around the same weight, (190lbs), both started in 3rd gear (to minimize wheelies, yet I still wheelied a bit since I'm down a tooth up front)
The new ZX14s are monsters...Let alone a piped/ECU hacked/tuned one... Gonna take way more then 800 rwhp to outrun one in a car... Especially from a slow roll...(60mph)..
I agree cars have the aero/speed advantage after 160 mph or so but...up until then, they got there hands full with any of the new ZX14s, ZX10s or S1000RRs.... (and I have a 900rwhp C5Z so I'm speaking from experience)...
FYI... a bone stock 2012-13 ZX14 will trap 150-152 with a 185lb suited rider.... No pipe, no lowering, no gears...nothing...
I just ran one today on my piped/tuned (185rwhp) S1000RR from a 70 mph roll, he put 3 bikes on me right from the hit(I had to slightly chop the throttle to stop a wheelie/head shake) and I stopped the pull but couldnt make any ground.....We ran to about 165 mph or so.... We were both around the same weight, (190lbs), both started in 3rd gear (to minimize wheelies, yet I still wheelied a bit since I'm down a tooth up front)
The new ZX14s are monsters...Let alone a piped/ECU hacked/tuned one... Gonna take way more then 800 rwhp to outrun one in a car... Especially from a slow roll...(60mph)..
I agree cars have the aero/speed advantage after 160 mph or so but...up until then, they got there hands full with any of the new ZX14s, ZX10s or S1000RRs.... (and I have a 900rwhp C5Z so I'm speaking from experience)...
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11-03-2013 | 06:12 PM
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here some thread i posted, for some friendly wager runs with my Vette and friends WRX
i also posted on CAfords and few street racing local like Bayarearacing
https://ls1tech.com/forums/street-ra...ok-inside.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dyno-gues...-part-2-a.html
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...ok-inside.html
hopefully your friends see this
you want to set it up like a " grown *** man " ? then hit up my phone number, I PMed it to you a month ago, if you had done that it would been less BS on this thread
we ran people all over California as far north as Sacramento and as far south as San Deigo have traveled to us, every race, money exchange always went smooth, and drama free
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11-03-2013 | 06:39 PM
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LOL@ this whole ****** thread...
FYI... a bone stock 2012-13 ZX14 will trap 150-152 with a 185lb suited rider.... No pipe, no lowering, no gears...nothing...
I just ran one today on my piped/tuned (185rwhp) S1000RR from a 70 mph roll, he put 3 bikes on me right from the hit(I had to slightly chop the throttle to stop a wheelie/head shake) and I stopped the pull but couldnt make any ground.....We ran to about 165 mph or so.... We were both around the same weight, (190lbs), both started in 3rd gear (to minimize wheelies, yet I still wheelied a bit since I'm down a tooth up front)
The new ZX14s are monsters...Let alone a piped/ECU hacked/tuned one... Gonna take way more then 800 rwhp to outrun one in a car... Especially from a slow roll...(60mph)..
I agree cars have the aero/speed advantage after 160 mph or so but...up until then, they got there hands full with any of the new ZX14s, ZX10s or S1000RRs.... (and I have a 900rwhp C5Z so I'm speaking from experience)...
FYI... a bone stock 2012-13 ZX14 will trap 150-152 with a 185lb suited rider.... No pipe, no lowering, no gears...nothing...
I just ran one today on my piped/tuned (185rwhp) S1000RR from a 70 mph roll, he put 3 bikes on me right from the hit(I had to slightly chop the throttle to stop a wheelie/head shake) and I stopped the pull but couldnt make any ground.....We ran to about 165 mph or so.... We were both around the same weight, (190lbs), both started in 3rd gear (to minimize wheelies, yet I still wheelied a bit since I'm down a tooth up front)
The new ZX14s are monsters...Let alone a piped/ECU hacked/tuned one... Gonna take way more then 800 rwhp to outrun one in a car... Especially from a slow roll...(60mph)..
I agree cars have the aero/speed advantage after 160 mph or so but...up until then, they got there hands full with any of the new ZX14s, ZX10s or S1000RRs.... (and I have a 900rwhp C5Z so I'm speaking from experience)...
not doubting your experience but x amount whp doesnt always run like it should, some runs faster some run slower, after all dyno is not a measure tool. but just a tuning tool
Badass and fast Set up C5Z you got there, have you lined up against these bikes? i think you would be surprised how well you would do
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11-03-2013 | 07:20 PM
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i dont know much about 2012-2013 ZX14s but the older ones with good rider trap mid 140s and some hero run of 146-147mph stock, i dont have much experience with Bikes, but i have seen S1000RR trap around the same
not doubting your experience but x amount whp doesnt always run like it should, some runs faster some run slower, after all dyno is not a measure tool. but just a tuning tool
Badass and fast Set up C5Z you got there, have you lined up against these bikes? i think you would be surprised how well you would do
not doubting your experience but x amount whp doesnt always run like it should, some runs faster some run slower, after all dyno is not a measure tool. but just a tuning tool
Badass and fast Set up C5Z you got there, have you lined up against these bikes? i think you would be surprised how well you would do
Before I got the S1000rr in July, I had an '01 GSXR1000 that trapped 141-142 mph and it had a NASTY hit from 2nd gear at 60mph.... I raced several big power Supras on it through the years and never got beat by one....at least not up until 155-160 mph in which I would usually let out of it....It was a turd past 160 mph.... It did run 178 mph at the Texas Mile though...
I also have a 320hp turbo busa that I used to rape big power Supras/Vipers with.. I've been 225 mph in the Mile on that one so I have seen some speed on bikes...
I don't street race much any more, especially bikes vs cars but......"When in Rome...."
