2007 GT500 640 hp vs 2013 ZL1 670hp
10-28-2013, 09:01 AM
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13+GT500 vs 13+ZL1
There is about 6 car lengths between the 2 best bone stock runs in the 1/4.
The ZL1 comes in second even when using an auto.
If you go stick car to stick car then the difference is about 10 cars.
Yes the stock ZL1 is a turd in comparison.
Once modded the ZL1 can be impressive.
There is about 6 car lengths between the 2 best bone stock runs in the 1/4.
The ZL1 comes in second even when using an auto.
If you go stick car to stick car then the difference is about 10 cars.
Yes the stock ZL1 is a turd in comparison.
Once modded the ZL1 can be impressive.
lots of people will praise 10+ gt500 but dismiss the zl1 when it's just as fast but handles significantly better.
and yes the 13 gt500 is faster. it would be an epic fail if it wasn't.
10-28-2013, 09:02 AM
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10-28-2013, 09:32 AM
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10-28-2013, 11:39 AM
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Also, I'm just going to be "that guy" for a minute seeing as there is a valid argument here but none of the Chevy guys seem to be making it completely.
Both the GT500 and the ZL1 base price at almost exactly $55,000. But, to option out a GT500 like a ZL1 (diff cooler, tranny cooler, engine oil cooler, upgraded suspension bits) you've got to add on the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack, (all of those things come standard on the "turd" ZL1 standard btw) which collectively bump the GT500 up to over $62k. At this point, the GT500 still has inferior suspension to the ZL1, costs $7k more, and still has some half-assed 285 road-race tires in the back (lol) that will need some attention.
Also, I'm noticing several other things that are kind of shocking, for example, navigation price differences ($800 for the Camaro and $2,300 for the GT500).
What it boils down to is, the GT500 obviously has the ZL1 on power and acceleration, but once you start looking at standard options on the ZL1 vs cost of options on the GT500 it seems as though
A). perhaps GM didn't build the ZL1 as a *****-out drag car? (IRS and 20's FTL, not to mention the front tires on the ZL1 are as wide as the rear tires on the Shelby). The ZL1 is basically a performance-oriented touring car, and the GT500 is, well, not.
B). It's embarrassing for the Mustang to compare when comparably equipped all the way around because the GT500 will be $7-10k more than the ZL1. The MSRP price difference between a standard ZL1 and a GT500 with the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack is nearly the same price gap between that GT500 and a 1LZ 2013 Corvette Z06.
C). When comparing the GT500 and the ZL1's power-to-weight ratios, it's honestly kind of sad these cars are even being compared in any realm of performance.
D). Throw 3 or 4 check marks on the options list for the GT500, and you'll be competing with the Z/28.
All that being said...I could care less lol. Just playing devil's advocate here. These are muscle cars that are priced like sports cars at this point. Lets not forget that underneath the superchargers and recaro seats, it's built off a $22,000 car. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion, no matter who the manufacturer is.
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10-28-2013, 12:00 PM
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*This particular Camaro isn't a contender against this particular Mustang.
Also, I'm just going to be "that guy" for a minute seeing as there is a valid argument here but none of the Chevy guys seem to be making it completely.
Both the GT500 and the ZL1 base price at almost exactly $55,000. But, to option out a GT500 like a ZL1 (diff cooler, tranny cooler, engine oil cooler, upgraded suspension bits) you've got to add on the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack, (all of those things come standard on the "turd" ZL1 standard btw) which collectively bump the GT500 up to over $62k. At this point, the GT500 still has inferior suspension to the ZL1, costs $7k more, and still has some half-assed 285 road-race tires in the back (lol) that will need some attention.
Also, I'm noticing several other things that are kind of shocking, for example, navigation price differences ($800 for the Camaro and $2,300 for the GT500).
What it boils down to is, the GT500 obviously has the ZL1 on power and acceleration, but once you start looking at standard options on the ZL1 vs cost of options on the GT500 it seems as though
A). perhaps GM didn't build the ZL1 as a *****-out drag car? (IRS and 20's FTL, not to mention the front tires on the ZL1 are as wide as the rear tires on the Shelby). The ZL1 is basically a performance-oriented touring car, and the GT500 is, well, not.
B). It's embarrassing for the Mustang to compare when comparably equipped all the way around because the GT500 will be $7-10k more than the ZL1. The MSRP price difference between a standard ZL1 and a GT500 with the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack is nearly the same price gap between that GT500 and a 1LZ 2013 Corvette Z06.
C). When comparing the GT500 and the ZL1's power-to-weight ratios, it's honestly kind of sad these cars are even being compared in any realm of performance.
D). Throw 3 or 4 check marks on the options list for the GT500, and you'll be competing with the Z/28.
All that being said...I could care less lol. Just playing devil's advocate here. These are muscle cars that are priced like sports cars at this point. Lets not forget that underneath the superchargers and recaro seats, it's built off a $22,000 car. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion, no matter who the manufacturer is.
Also, I'm just going to be "that guy" for a minute seeing as there is a valid argument here but none of the Chevy guys seem to be making it completely.
Both the GT500 and the ZL1 base price at almost exactly $55,000. But, to option out a GT500 like a ZL1 (diff cooler, tranny cooler, engine oil cooler, upgraded suspension bits) you've got to add on the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack, (all of those things come standard on the "turd" ZL1 standard btw) which collectively bump the GT500 up to over $62k. At this point, the GT500 still has inferior suspension to the ZL1, costs $7k more, and still has some half-assed 285 road-race tires in the back (lol) that will need some attention.
Also, I'm noticing several other things that are kind of shocking, for example, navigation price differences ($800 for the Camaro and $2,300 for the GT500).
What it boils down to is, the GT500 obviously has the ZL1 on power and acceleration, but once you start looking at standard options on the ZL1 vs cost of options on the GT500 it seems as though
A). perhaps GM didn't build the ZL1 as a *****-out drag car? (IRS and 20's FTL, not to mention the front tires on the ZL1 are as wide as the rear tires on the Shelby). The ZL1 is basically a performance-oriented touring car, and the GT500 is, well, not.
B). It's embarrassing for the Mustang to compare when comparably equipped all the way around because the GT500 will be $7-10k more than the ZL1. The MSRP price difference between a standard ZL1 and a GT500 with the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack is nearly the same price gap between that GT500 and a 1LZ 2013 Corvette Z06.
C). When comparing the GT500 and the ZL1's power-to-weight ratios, it's honestly kind of sad these cars are even being compared in any realm of performance.
D). Throw 3 or 4 check marks on the options list for the GT500, and you'll be competing with the Z/28.
All that being said...I could care less lol. Just playing devil's advocate here. These are muscle cars that are priced like sports cars at this point. Lets not forget that underneath the superchargers and recaro seats, it's built off a $22,000 car. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion, no matter who the manufacturer is.
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10-28-2013, 12:13 PM
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*This particular Camaro isn't a contender against this particular Mustang.
Also, I'm just going to be "that guy" for a minute seeing as there is a valid argument here but none of the Chevy guys seem to be making it completely.
Both the GT500 and the ZL1 base price at almost exactly $55,000. But, to option out a GT500 like a ZL1 (diff cooler, tranny cooler, engine oil cooler, upgraded suspension bits) you've got to add on the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack, (all of those things come standard on the "turd" ZL1 standard btw) which collectively bump the GT500 up to over $62k. At this point, the GT500 still has inferior suspension to the ZL1, costs $7k more, and still has some half-assed 285 road-race tires in the back (lol) that will need some attention.
Also, I'm noticing several other things that are kind of shocking, for example, navigation price differences ($800 for the Camaro and $2,300 for the GT500).
What it boils down to is, the GT500 obviously has the ZL1 on power and acceleration, but once you start looking at standard options on the ZL1 vs cost of options on the GT500 it seems as though
A). perhaps GM didn't build the ZL1 as a *****-out drag car? (IRS and 20's FTL, not to mention the front tires on the ZL1 are as wide as the rear tires on the Shelby). The ZL1 is basically a performance-oriented touring car, and the GT500 is, well, not.
B). It's embarrassing for the Mustang to compare when comparably equipped all the way around because the GT500 will be $7-10k more than the ZL1. The MSRP price difference between a standard ZL1 and a GT500 with the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack is nearly the same price gap between that GT500 and a 1LZ 2013 Corvette Z06.
C). When comparing the GT500 and the ZL1's power-to-weight ratios, it's honestly kind of sad these cars are even being compared in any realm of performance.
D). Throw 3 or 4 check marks on the options list for the GT500, and you'll be competing with the Z/28.
All that being said...I could care less lol. Just playing devil's advocate here. These are muscle cars that are priced like sports cars at this point. Lets not forget that underneath the superchargers and recaro seats, it's built off a $22,000 car. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion, no matter who the manufacturer is.
Also, I'm just going to be "that guy" for a minute seeing as there is a valid argument here but none of the Chevy guys seem to be making it completely.
Both the GT500 and the ZL1 base price at almost exactly $55,000. But, to option out a GT500 like a ZL1 (diff cooler, tranny cooler, engine oil cooler, upgraded suspension bits) you've got to add on the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack, (all of those things come standard on the "turd" ZL1 standard btw) which collectively bump the GT500 up to over $62k. At this point, the GT500 still has inferior suspension to the ZL1, costs $7k more, and still has some half-assed 285 road-race tires in the back (lol) that will need some attention.
Also, I'm noticing several other things that are kind of shocking, for example, navigation price differences ($800 for the Camaro and $2,300 for the GT500).
What it boils down to is, the GT500 obviously has the ZL1 on power and acceleration, but once you start looking at standard options on the ZL1 vs cost of options on the GT500 it seems as though
A). perhaps GM didn't build the ZL1 as a *****-out drag car? (IRS and 20's FTL, not to mention the front tires on the ZL1 are as wide as the rear tires on the Shelby). The ZL1 is basically a performance-oriented touring car, and the GT500 is, well, not.
B). It's embarrassing for the Mustang to compare when comparably equipped all the way around because the GT500 will be $7-10k more than the ZL1. The MSRP price difference between a standard ZL1 and a GT500 with the SVT performance package and the SVT track pack is nearly the same price gap between that GT500 and a 1LZ 2013 Corvette Z06.
C). When comparing the GT500 and the ZL1's power-to-weight ratios, it's honestly kind of sad these cars are even being compared in any realm of performance.
D). Throw 3 or 4 check marks on the options list for the GT500, and you'll be competing with the Z/28.
All that being said...I could care less lol. Just playing devil's advocate here. These are muscle cars that are priced like sports cars at this point. Lets not forget that underneath the superchargers and recaro seats, it's built off a $22,000 car. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion, no matter who the manufacturer is.
10-28-2013, 12:23 PM
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MasterTomos made some points without slander and taking stabs at the Mustang, you can't do that, verjinya, so stop acting like you're capable of rational unbiased responses.
10-28-2013, 12:41 PM
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Pouring $50,000 into a DRAG car that goes 10.90 is beyond me anyway.... Cool street car if you can't afford the real ones from 1960-1970s, Maybe.... But to get in a dick measuring competion over drag strip success with price tags in the $50,000 plus range!!! They Both SUCK!!!
Gen 1 SBCs have been doing that for a very very long time at a 1/10th of the price! Hell look at Coyote Stock cars in the NMRA.... Bone stock sealed tune and motors going 10.30-11.00!! Who would want either the GT500 or the ZL1 when you look at just drag strip accomplishments vs other BUILT door slammers for $20,000.
Gen 1 SBCs have been doing that for a very very long time at a 1/10th of the price! Hell look at Coyote Stock cars in the NMRA.... Bone stock sealed tune and motors going 10.30-11.00!! Who would want either the GT500 or the ZL1 when you look at just drag strip accomplishments vs other BUILT door slammers for $20,000.
10-28-2013, 12:54 PM
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Pouring $50,000 into a DRAG car that goes 10.90 is beyond me anyway.... Cool street car if you can't afford the real ones from 1960-1970s, Maybe.... But to get in a dick measuring competion over drag strip success with price tags in the $50,000 plus range!!! They Both SUCK!!!
Gen 1 SBCs have been doing that for a very very long time at a 1/10th of the price! Hell look at Coyote Stock cars in the NMRA.... Bone stock sealed tune and motors going 10.30-11.00!! Who would want either the GT500 or the ZL1 when you look at just drag strip accomplishments vs other BUILT door slammers for $20,000.
Gen 1 SBCs have been doing that for a very very long time at a 1/10th of the price! Hell look at Coyote Stock cars in the NMRA.... Bone stock sealed tune and motors going 10.30-11.00!! Who would want either the GT500 or the ZL1 when you look at just drag strip accomplishments vs other BUILT door slammers for $20,000.
Also kinda funny coming from someone who bought a COPO 5th gen lol.
10-28-2013, 01:06 PM
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How is a STOCK seal Coyote Motor UNRELIABLE!!
Hell the winner in True Street at LSX shootout Drove his "UNRELIABLE POS" from Georgia to Indy and went 8.80s 3 multiple passes after a 40mile street cruise!
You want Luxry and speed yet your talking about cars weighing 4000+lbs for the price of a Corvette!!
Not only that its a dick measuring contest to see who has better track times on the Internet from different tracks....
As for the COPO being 1 of 69 and the expierence is what I was in it for.... How many ZL1s or CTSvs are in the 8s out of the crate again???
10-28-2013, 01:16 PM
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Unreliable!?!?
How is a STOCK seal Coyote Motor UNRELIABLE!!
Hell the winner in True Street at LSX shootout Drove his "UNRELIABLE POS" from Georgia to Indy and went 8.80s 3 multiple passes after a 40mile street cruise!
You want Luxry and speed yet your talking about cars weighing 4000+lbs for the price of a Corvette!!
Not only that its a dick measuring contest to see who has better track times on the Internet from different tracks....
As for the COPO being 1 of 69 and the expierence is what I was in it for.... How many ZL1s or CTSvs are in the 8s out of the crate again???
How is a STOCK seal Coyote Motor UNRELIABLE!!
Hell the winner in True Street at LSX shootout Drove his "UNRELIABLE POS" from Georgia to Indy and went 8.80s 3 multiple passes after a 40mile street cruise!
You want Luxry and speed yet your talking about cars weighing 4000+lbs for the price of a Corvette!!
Not only that its a dick measuring contest to see who has better track times on the Internet from different tracks....
As for the COPO being 1 of 69 and the expierence is what I was in it for.... How many ZL1s or CTSvs are in the 8s out of the crate again???
Matter of fact is once you get into those power ranges, NOTHING is reliable.
Not many CTS-Vs or ZL1s cost 100k+ and aren't street legal. Just find it funny you're talking about people spending 50k on ZL1s and GT500s yet you have a 100k+ race car not street legal 5th gen lol.
10-28-2013, 01:18 PM
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In the End who gives 2 ***** which one you buy... If you want to compare nothing more that $ vs 1320 times. They both Sucks!
Want to compare looks: Bet most of us here would rather have a 1969 Mustang restored for $62000 then the 2013 GT500.. Or a 1969 RS/SS 396 rather than the ZL1..
Want to compare looks: Bet most of us here would rather have a 1969 Mustang restored for $62000 then the 2013 GT500.. Or a 1969 RS/SS 396 rather than the ZL1..
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Yeah man, them 8 second cars are REAL reliable.
Matter of fact is once you get into those power ranges, NOTHING is reliable.
Not many CTS-Vs or ZL1s cost 100k+ and aren't street legal. Just find it funny you're talking about people spending 50k on ZL1s and GT500s yet you have a 100k+ race car not street legal 5th gen lol.
Matter of fact is once you get into those power ranges, NOTHING is reliable.
Not many CTS-Vs or ZL1s cost 100k+ and aren't street legal. Just find it funny you're talking about people spending 50k on ZL1s and GT500s yet you have a 100k+ race car not street legal 5th gen lol.
FWIW the TOP of the Line Copo isn't 100K...
In fact you could probly have a 427 Copo for what your Modded CTSv cost... And who says you can't drive them on the street!?!
10-28-2013, 01:23 PM
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About as reliable as a 700whp 4000 lb pig on the stock driveline at the track on slicks.... Running 11.30s
FWIW the TOP of the Line Copo isn't 100K...
In fact you could probly have a 427 Copo for what your Modded CTSv cost... And who says you can't drive them on the street!?!
FWIW the TOP of the Line Copo isn't 100K...
In fact you could probly have a 427 Copo for what your Modded CTSv cost... And who says you can't drive them on the street!?!
10-28-2013, 01:36 PM
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Are you siding with me saying your 600whp 5th Gen is very reliable, but a Fox Body with the same motor, Stalled TH350 or 4L80 with a built 8.8 wouldn't be as reliable becuz its lighter??? Or becuz it was cheaper?? Or it's no longer street able since it lacks navigation and 8 way power seat?