big hammer

Pontiac owned the 70's!

and 80's...

Poppacapp

1) the vette and gt500 were not designed to compete with each other. The Z(1 was aimed square at the GT500.

2) The Z28 is a gutted out road course purpose built car that would get its *** handed to it in any straight. And you wont see them driving around. Whoever buys them will most likey make them garage queens.

Irunelevens

Honestly what these cars do at the end of their platform life-cycle is cool and all, but I am MUCH more interested in seeing what 2015-2016 offers.

big hammer

me to. maybe a 6th gen camaro will be worth buying.

HioSSilver

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I'll give a the mid 70's with the sd455's......but they Pontiac pretty much ceased to exist in the 80's.
That's probably the smartest thing you've ever said.
x2

Irunelevens

Aww...

islander033

I had a 1975 rustang 2 for about 6 months. It was not an econo box. It was rocking a 302+auto. The fuel mileage wasn't bad but the oil mileage was terrible. An econo box would have been cheap to keep on the road. Lol

i2disturbedSS

Lol @ the Camaro 2 - I always thought that in a way with the Sebring

big hammer

89 turbo t\a!

audacious nick

Translation:
1.OMG, never compare a corvette and a mustang. Especially when it proves me wrong. They will never race of be compared in the real world! >
2.omg, apparently the z28 is gutted and it's gonna get owned in a straight. And some other irrelevant argument, because I can.

HioSSilver

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That would be the only exception.

I will give them credit for the turbo sunbird. They were some bad little bitches for their day.

big hammer

and even when GM forced Pontiac to scrap the superduty because it smashed the corvette, they still offered a 455 through 76 and a big block car right to the bitter end. while they weren't outstanding when stock it too very little to make em fly in the street.

big hammer

I had a 72 ventura II 4 door with the jhoom jhoom 250 1 barrel and 2 speed powerglide.

so much fun throwing that thing into reverse at 45 mph on main street.

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

To me Pontiac lost their identity after the 70's.

Lawhead

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98 is when it came back and was gone shortly after LoL

Mike Morris

iTrader: (55)

Pontiac coming out with the Fiero was pretty bold. Thanks to a crap budget when it finally was half decent they killed it. The Tran Am GTA was pretty good just expensive and as mentioned the turbo T/a was insane and made a L98 Vette at the time look tame. Turbo Sunbird and Turbo Grand Prix were all pretty bold too.

Lawhead

iTrader: (14)

Why did they never just Slap a turbo on the Vette back then ?


It's **** poor performance lead to the end of a lot of awesome cars

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

Not really. Once they lost their own engine they were done. All gm did was water down Chevy products to try to make the Pontiac **** seem more upscale. As you can tell a major **** up. They do the same **** with the trucks to some extent. Either Chevy trucks or GMC trucks should go away. If they were smart the Hummer line should've encompassed all gm trucks and both Chevy and GMC trucks been killed. Then they could fill a whole line with complete content.
Fiero was poop for the first few years. Turbo GP were cool but never really caught on. KInda like early 80's Turbo Monte's.

Poppacapp

I never sai not to compare the two cars.. because honestly, since the Camaro offers nothing to compete.. especially in a straight line(which is where the Mustang and Camaros have battled since the 60's), people tend to move it up to competing with the Vettes.

Problem is they were never designed to compete with each other. The Ford GT on the other hand was similar in purpose to the Vette's.. and well.. we know how well that played out for the Vettes. If only they still made them.

As far as the Z28 goes.. my reply was to the basic GM guys argument that the Z28 is faster than the ZL1.. and will be faster than the Shelby. Fine.. its is an awesome car. It will tear up road courses because it was purpose built for it. It has no sound insulation, no a/c, no radio. etc.. it is purpose built.

The owners of these cars, will no be beating them up on road courses on a daily basis due the the limited production numbers. Most will sit with less than 100 miles in rich guys garages for investments. You will not see them out on the street cruising around looking for a race.

Now I ask you this. How do you think the 2015 SVT Mustang will perform with IRS, possible TT 5.0, and Carbon ceramic brakes? Don't you see that this is the same thing that happened to the ZL1? The ZL1 was designed to beat the pre 13' Shelbys.. and Ford reamed their butts with the release of the 2013 GT500.

So the question..... The Z28 has a certain purpose... and in that purpose it outperforms the Shelby(although gutted).... what makes you think Ford won't one-up GM AGAIN with something offered in the 2015 stables? Then I am sure the Z28 owners will cry just like the current ZL1 owners are.

Sorry for the long post... I was sleepy when I woke up, and drank 5 cups of coffee real quick..... now I am going to run laps around the neighborhood..... BBL.....

Poppacapp

I always liked the 70's T/A's when I was a kid. Not so much on the big Firebird on the hood though.

My first new car was a 1989 Ford Escort GT... man I loved mah Escort GT. Bumpin with 18" subs, MB Quart mids and highs... personal tag that read GOINDEAF... loved it... With one big exception......... the damned car looked like a High Top sneaker...