Bolt-on A6 Coyote vs Stock A6 C7
05-05-2014, 10:04 PM
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the Camaro was designed for two things. to beat the current mustang at the time and sell well. it achieved both of those things. in fact it sold very well. most of the time better than the mustang. and if you remember in the 90's we were told by the blue oval camp that sales are the only thing that mattered.....
05-05-2014, 10:04 PM
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I haven't heard anywhere about it gaining weight. What I have heard is that they expect to lose at least 100lbs, maybe more. The regular GT is also rumored to have 450hp. I honestly don't see the new Camaro weighing any less than 3,600lbs, and it will have the same or less power as the Mustang. So it should still be a nice close race.
05-05-2014, 10:06 PM
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I haven't heard anywhere about it gaining weight. What I have heard is that they expect to lose at least 100lbs, maybe more. The regular GT is also rumored to have 450hp. I honestly don't see the new Camaro weighing any less than 3,600lbs, and it will have the same or less power as the Mustang. So it should still be a nice close race.
Edmunds claimed a weight gain.
05-05-2014, 10:18 PM
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I read that article. Edmund's estimated a weight gain, and there is a big difference in those two terms. Until I see something at least semi-concrete, I'll stick with what we have heard straight from the horse's mouth.
05-05-2014, 10:26 PM
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That it does.
Kind of the same way for me, although it doesn't kill me to say it - even as a GM guy. I try to look at most things with an open mind. If I were looking for a V8 RWD "newer" car besides a C6, it'd be a Coyote.
05-05-2014, 10:26 PM
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05-05-2014, 10:31 PM
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LS3 has more torque, more average power, more average torque, is easier to work on, parts are cheaper, larger aftermarket, and responds better to mods.
It's not even a competition. If the camaro wasnt a fat 4,000lb hog then it would **** on the 5.0 lmao.
05-05-2014, 10:32 PM
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Peak Horsepower is primarily used to sell cars to the less informed.
LS3 has more torque, more average power, more average torque, is easier to work on, parts are cheaper, larger aftermarket, and responds better to mods.
It's not even a competition. If the camaro wasnt a fat 4,000lb hog then it would **** on the 5.0 lmao.
LS3 has more torque, more average power, more average torque, is easier to work on, parts are cheaper, larger aftermarket, and responds better to mods.
It's not even a competition. If the camaro wasnt a fat 4,000lb hog then it would **** on the 5.0 lmao.
05-05-2014, 10:38 PM
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Hell, the C7 and a base GT are the same weight right now. So I have no problem saying that the next Camaro will probably still be heavier than the Mustang.
05-05-2014, 11:20 PM
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Run what you brung dude.
Ohhh so the HP/TQ numbers that Chevy post are real and not marketing.... but the Ford numbers are just made-up bullshit marketing? Oh I see bro. Its all made up, were all clueless and you are in on the truth. Please expose us.
Even if we assume what you are saying is correct. The margin is very little and the coyote has 1.2L less displacement per cylinder.
You remember when chevy nutswingers were losing their minds and refused to acknowledge that the 5.0 would make these power numbers? And then when they came true it was all about the 5.0 being maxed out? Nope and nope. Too bad.
If HP numbers are truely marketing, especially for Ford....then why did the 03 Cobra post up 390HP/390TQ as engine production numbers? If those numbers were true then "bolt-on" LS2 Camaros would have competed if not wiped the floor clean with that car. But it didnt happen.
Do you happen to have link(s) that support your claims of the following facts: Chevrolet Camaros have: A) A larger aftermarket B) Cheaper parts C)Responds better pound for pound better than the 5.0 Coyote?
Because I have plenty of links that say that in the very worst situation Mustang still competes neck and neck. And in more realistic conditions are better. I know with absolute certainty that the Ford Mustang has statistically the largest production aftermarket of any car period right now.
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05-05-2014, 11:31 PM
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If my dad was a King I wouldn't have to listen to one sided hill billies talk about has-been cars. But here we are.
Run what you brung dude.
Ohhh so the HP/TQ numbers that Chevy post are real and not marketing.... but the Ford numbers are just made-up bullshit marketing? Oh I see bro. Its all made up, were all clueless and you are in on the truth. Please expose us.
Even if we assume what you are saying is correct. The margin is very little and the coyote has 1.2L less displacement per cylinder.
You remember when chevy nutswingers were losing their minds and refused to acknowledge that the 5.0 would make these power numbers? And then when they came true it was all about the 5.0 being maxed out? Nope and nope. Too bad.
If HP numbers are truely marketing, especially for Ford....then why did the 03 Cobra post up 390HP/390TQ as engine production numbers? If those numbers were true then "bolt-on" LS2 Camaros would have competed if not wiped the floor clean with that car. But it didnt happen.
Do you happen to have link(s) that support your claims of the following facts: Chevrolet Camaros have: A) A larger aftermarket B) Cheaper parts C)Responds better pound for pound better than the 5.0 Coyote?
Because I have plenty of links that say that in the very worst situation Mustang still competes neck and neck. And in more realistic conditions are better. I know with absolute certainty that the Ford Mustang has statistically the largest production aftermarket of any car period right now.
Run what you brung dude.
Ohhh so the HP/TQ numbers that Chevy post are real and not marketing.... but the Ford numbers are just made-up bullshit marketing? Oh I see bro. Its all made up, were all clueless and you are in on the truth. Please expose us.
Even if we assume what you are saying is correct. The margin is very little and the coyote has 1.2L less displacement per cylinder.
You remember when chevy nutswingers were losing their minds and refused to acknowledge that the 5.0 would make these power numbers? And then when they came true it was all about the 5.0 being maxed out? Nope and nope. Too bad.
If HP numbers are truely marketing, especially for Ford....then why did the 03 Cobra post up 390HP/390TQ as engine production numbers? If those numbers were true then "bolt-on" LS2 Camaros would have competed if not wiped the floor clean with that car. But it didnt happen.
Do you happen to have link(s) that support your claims of the following facts: Chevrolet Camaros have: A) A larger aftermarket B) Cheaper parts C)Responds better pound for pound better than the 5.0 Coyote?
Because I have plenty of links that say that in the very worst situation Mustang still competes neck and neck. And in more realistic conditions are better. I know with absolute certainty that the Ford Mustang has statistically the largest production aftermarket of any car period right now.
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05-05-2014, 11:43 PM
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If my dad was a King I wouldn't have to listen to one sided hill billies talk about has-been cars. But here we are.
Run what you brung dude.
Ohhh so the HP/TQ numbers that Chevy post are real and not marketing.... but the Ford numbers are just made-up bullshit marketing? Oh I see bro. Its all made up, were all clueless and you are in on the truth. Please expose us.
Even if we assume what you are saying is correct. The margin is very little and the coyote has 1.2L less displacement per cylinder.
You remember when chevy nutswingers were losing their minds and refused to acknowledge that the 5.0 would make these power numbers? And then when they came true it was all about the 5.0 being maxed out? Nope and nope. Too bad.
If HP numbers are truely marketing, especially for Ford....then why did the 03 Cobra post up 390HP/390TQ as engine production numbers? If those numbers were true then "bolt-on" LS2 Camaros would have competed if not wiped the floor clean with that car. But it didnt happen.
Do you happen to have link(s) that support your claims of the following facts: Chevrolet Camaros have: A) A larger aftermarket B) Cheaper parts C)Responds better pound for pound better than the 5.0 Coyote?
Because I have plenty of links that say that in the very worst situation Mustang still competes neck and neck. And in more realistic conditions are better. I know with absolute certainty that the Ford Mustang has statistically the largest production aftermarket of any car period right now.
Run what you brung dude.
Ohhh so the HP/TQ numbers that Chevy post are real and not marketing.... but the Ford numbers are just made-up bullshit marketing? Oh I see bro. Its all made up, were all clueless and you are in on the truth. Please expose us.
Even if we assume what you are saying is correct. The margin is very little and the coyote has 1.2L less displacement per cylinder.
You remember when chevy nutswingers were losing their minds and refused to acknowledge that the 5.0 would make these power numbers? And then when they came true it was all about the 5.0 being maxed out? Nope and nope. Too bad.
If HP numbers are truely marketing, especially for Ford....then why did the 03 Cobra post up 390HP/390TQ as engine production numbers? If those numbers were true then "bolt-on" LS2 Camaros would have competed if not wiped the floor clean with that car. But it didnt happen.
Do you happen to have link(s) that support your claims of the following facts: Chevrolet Camaros have: A) A larger aftermarket B) Cheaper parts C)Responds better pound for pound better than the 5.0 Coyote?
Because I have plenty of links that say that in the very worst situation Mustang still competes neck and neck. And in more realistic conditions are better. I know with absolute certainty that the Ford Mustang has statistically the largest production aftermarket of any car period right now.
Basically, what I'm saying is...do you even mod, bro?
::edit:: That was harsh, I'm sorry. I'll bold the important parts for ya, since reading comprehension sadly doesn't seem to be a focus in today's schools.
Peak Horsepower is primarily used to sell cars to the less informed.
LS3 has more torque, more average power, more average torque, is easier to work on, parts are cheaper, larger aftermarket, and responds better to mods.
It's not even a competition. If the camaro wasnt a fat 4,000lb hog then it would **** on the 5.0 lmao.
LS3 has more torque, more average power, more average torque, is easier to work on, parts are cheaper, larger aftermarket, and responds better to mods.
It's not even a competition. If the camaro wasnt a fat 4,000lb hog then it would **** on the 5.0 lmao.
05-06-2014, 06:02 AM
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after googling ls3 vs 5.0! Just kinda funny. I see ls1 t\a's an camaros with 180k+ or more still running the new 5.0s an doing pretty dam good agent's them. The ls1 has proven its self over an over to b cheap an super reliabile.. wont except any less from a ls3.. Put 150k to 200k on ur 5.0, 4 cams, 2 timing chains, an 32 valves an all thoes dam moving parts on thoes heads an see what lets lose.. more parts, more price to replace an repair..