Originally Posted by marc97taws6

To the bolded part, me as well - hence why I posted the video. Was not trying to create an LS2/LS3/LT1 vs. 5.0 debacle.

To be honest, a stock M6 LS3 would still likely have about as much power as your buddys light bolt-on M6 LS2, if not more. The LS3 is an awesome engine.

The C7 isn't fast "for what it is"? Are you kidding me? I'm not trying to down the 5.0 or anything, but all of that appears to be excuses as to why it lost.

Originally Posted by JakeyLS1

I believe the video is perfectly relevant to his response. He said would you rather change a cam or an intake. Would you rather change an intake or a tune?

but if you wish, the blue c7 is stock tune.

C7 Corvettes running 11's - YouTube

Originally Posted by Gt4urass

Wonder what a tune only boss could pull off...

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

1) I know that both LS3 C6s and C7s have run 11s stock, hence my statement.
2) I was under the impression that the C7's curb weight was around 3,400lbs, my mistake. The lightest of the 5.0s is around that weight, which is why I made that comparison.

Originally Posted by BlackGasGuzzler

We can cherry pick all day long.

Originally Posted by marc97taws6

Hell, Evan's max effort bolt-on boss is still having a hard time beating that tune only C7...

Just giving you ****, Evan.

So everybody owns the lightest 5.bro?

Quit posting slow cars, you douche.

Originally Posted by Iliac

If my dad was a King I wouldn't have to listen to one sided hill billies talk about has-been cars. But here we are.

Run what you brung dude.

Ohhh so the HP/TQ numbers that Chevy post are real and not marketing.... but the Ford numbers are just made-up bullshit marketing? Oh I see bro. Its all made up, were all clueless and you are in on the truth. Please expose us.

Even if we assume what you are saying is correct. The margin is very little and the coyote has 1.2L less displacement per cylinder.

You remember when chevy nutswingers were losing their minds and refused to acknowledge that the 5.0 would make these power numbers? And then when they came true it was all about the 5.0 being maxed out? Nope and nope. Too bad.

If HP numbers are truely marketing, especially for Ford....then why did the 03 Cobra post up 390HP/390TQ as engine production numbers? If those numbers were true then "bolt-on" LS2 Camaros would have competed if not wiped the floor clean with that car. But it didnt happen.

Do you happen to have link(s) that support your claims of the following facts: Chevrolet Camaros have: A) A larger aftermarket B) Cheaper parts C)Responds better pound for pound better than the 5.0 Coyote?

Because I have plenty of links that say that in the very worst situation Mustang still competes neck and neck. And in more realistic conditions are better. I know with absolute certainty that the Ford Mustang has statistically the largest production aftermarket of any car period right now.

Originally Posted by Iliac

As has been pointed out I completely worded my statement wrong about the Cylinder/CU thing. The statement remains true....the coyote is giving up 1.2 Liters on the motor.

Regardless......for the sake of the conversation here are the specs for all relevant vehicles straight from their manufacturers.

CR= Compression Ratio
CW= Curb Weight
M5/A6 = Manual/Auto + Total gears

Weights in parenthesis for Mustangs are in comparison to GM vehicles

Weight for auto cars are in blue below

LS3 Camaro SS | $33,355 | 426HP 6.2L LS3 10.7CR | CW M5 = 3908lbs

C7 | $53,000 | 460HP 6.2L LT1 11.5CR | CW M7 = 3298lbs / CW A6 = Unknown

5.Br0 GT | $31,210 | 420HP 5.0L 11.0CR | CW M6 = 3618lbs (+320lbs C7 / -290lbs SS)

14 GT500 | $55,100 | 662HP 5.8L-SC 9.0CR | CW M6 = 3845lbs (+554lbs C7 / -66lbs SS)

LS3 Camaro SS | CW A6 = Unknown
C7 CW A6 = Unknown
5.Br0 GT CW A6 = 3675lbs (+377lbs C7 / -233lbs SS)
14 GT500 Auto not offered

Originally Posted by "MAC"

Good stuff but the displacement argument is a cry for help lol

Originally Posted by "MAC"

Ill just leave this hear

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...rvette_rpm_c7/

Originally Posted by "MAC"

Good stuff but the displacement argument is a cry for help lol

Originally Posted by "MAC"

Ok so you wanna bring up the whole displacement thing? Really when the 5.0 is physically bigger than the ls3! It also weighs more than the ls3. It also revs higher than the ls3 it also Cost more to build the 5.0 than the ls3...

We could do this all day but fact is the ls3 is the better engine period.

Cheaper and easier to work on, more sought after than the 5.0 etc...

Please tell us how many new 5.0 swaps are in older mustangs than lsx swaps oh also please tell us how many more newer 5.0 swaps are in Miatas, 240zs etc... than a lsx. We will wait.

Originally Posted by big hammer

I agree the 5.0 was a HUGE step forward for ford. But it's not doing anything new or revolutionary.

Originally Posted by big hammer

that it is.

hp\ltr is as useless of a measurement as hp\microwaves.

Originally Posted by Puck

People using peak HP and HP/L are just proving that they know nothing about racing.

Average power is what makes a car ET, and the LS3 has the 5.0 beat by 15-20hp alllllll through the RPM range. Being lighter, cheaper, easier to build, responding better to mods, making more power, and being physically smaller are all just added icing on the cake .

5.0 is a great engine, and probably Fords best for a long time, but its no LS3. If it wasn't so damn expensive and complicated to build then it would be a much harder decision.

Originally Posted by Gt4urass

It's actually the most important evaluation of an engines efficiency.

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

It's a huge step forward BECAUSE it is doing new and revolutionary things...

Originally Posted by Gt4urass

That's true, sort of. If the goal is to be as fast as possible, more average power is more important. When comparing the specific design of two engines, hp/ci HAS to be factored in. Period.