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Old 06-21-2014, 11:22 PM
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I don't care who you are. that's ridiculous.
Ha agreed, I've been reading this funny **** but that's just weird
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Originally Posted by big hammer
I don't care who you are. that's ridiculous.
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2003Cobro should be termi swappin a aerostar mini van.

good lookin kids. Any pics of the wife?.....lol
Yeah my house is nuts 24/7. Wife is a hottie. I married up. I'll keep her pics to myself tho.
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Originally Posted by 2003Cobro
Yeah my house is nuts 24/7. Wife is a hottie. I married up. I'll keep her pics to myself tho.
That's a hand full, my buddy has the same thing but another on top of that, two sets of twins and his first born, all within 7 years
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Originally Posted by 2003Cobro
Its not a ford ego. Its just real time spent at the track and watching street races since i was 16. You have no info. For all we know your some 16 year old punk tabbing back and fourth between gay **** and SRK. Odds are you have not car or some beat *** old LS1 that breaks down every 2 weeks and has never been to the track. Def never been to the track. Your like a Big Hammer clone. With just as ugly of an avatar.
You make me giggle. Not a Ford ego? You're on a GM based forum with a screen name that was purposely intended to annoy people. And now you're just grasping at straws, looking for a reason to ridicule me via the cars that I own. Because I've obviously gotten under your skin and you have nothing else to spew. I do own an LS1. That's why I joined this forum, Ford boy. Why don't you go over to mustangforums and circle jerk all of your fellow blue oval nut huggers? I'm glad that my avatar bothered you too lol...

And LS1 > Mach 1. Still. Get over it, cry baby.
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I said my piece in here earlier that i respect Mach's and they are a decent race for a ls1(edge to ls1). But some people refuse to believe that... However here's a little proof the ls1 is superior....How many non f body/y body cars out there these days are getting ls1 swaps? Rx7s,240s,old Porsches, even seen foxes, s10s, and countless more.... Wonder why? Now how many mach one engines are out there getting swapped around? Answer: not enough to mention.
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Originally Posted by 2003Cobro
Best i could do on short notice. Older two are fraternal boy girl. Younger are identical boys. 3 boys 1 girl. Dr said 1 in 50,000 chance of this happening.
Gorgeous children! Congrats man!
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That's because you came across guys that want to treat them like a old school sbc. I assure you the results are very repeatable. The real funny part is errything we did we told you guys.....same with my car. But as you can tell from the hate/attempts to discredit them both it strikes a cord in the heart of some. What's even funnier is neither are the fastest and the furd guys cry like sissy *** babies over them.

For sure

hell most that use the term full bolt-on don't have full bolt-ons

You wanna know wtf is sketchy ?? Boosted cars.....you never really know how much boost they are running or what gas or tune they got goin on. They can change tunes on the flip of a switch.

Yes it was on the stock tune.

I have let erryone know exactly what was done to his and my car. Hammer has implemented what has been learned......and add3d some stuff too. I have told others what to do in plain site for you guys.

Not even a little

Rwtq......360 .....rwhp 340

I think he may be.
So what were the mods to get 340/360? You say a bolt on LS1 with stock exhaust manifolds? Dyno sheet? My base line was 319/328 with only lid & bellow. I know these are all just dyno #'s but that seems a bit too high for a stock LS1 long block. It seems closer to a stock LS6.
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Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
So what were the mods to get 340/360? You say a bolt on LS1 with stock exhaust manifolds? Dyno sheet? My base line was 319/328 with only lid & bellow. I know these are all just dyno #'s but that seems a bit too high for a stock LS1 long block. It seems closer to a stock LS6.
Car was very basic. Had a ported ls6 intake, exhaust mani's were ported a little, udp, ory.....I forget what type of catback and stock tune. He probably has the dyno sheet.

stock ls6's should be near 360whp~ and bolt on one's should go over 400whp. There is 60 hp difference in the two engines.
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Stock LS6s from what I've seen have been 330-340. Bolt ons being ~370-390, and cammed ones being 400-440 based on spec and supporting mods.
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Originally Posted by 95Prplppletrz28
I said my piece in here earlier that i respect Mach's and they are a decent race for a ls1(edge to ls1). But some people refuse to believe that... However here's a little proof the ls1 is superior....How many non f body/y body cars out there these days are getting ls1 swaps? Rx7s,240s,old Porsches, even seen foxes, s10s, and countless more.... Wonder why? Now how many mach one engines are out there getting swapped around? Answer: not enough to mention.
That doesn't prove the LS1 is superior when it comes to the Mach 1 vs Fbody. The new 5.0 is superior to the LS1 but it's not going to be swapped into nearly as many cars due to cost/packaging/availability.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
it is when you have 3 kids and you only get time off work in summer because it's raining.
Oh man you better avoid the challenge like the plague then...no room for that **** in there.
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Originally Posted by odthetruth
Stock LS6s from what I've seen have been 330-340. Bolt ons being ~370-390, and cammed ones being 400-440 based on spec and supporting mods.
Not that I have been around many......but a quick search can find plenty at 350+. Easy to find bolt-on ls6's over 400 too. Mine for instance is well over 400, 430~ on a dynojet. Cam only ls6's should be 450+ if the guys is serious about making power and don't just want to talk about his cam install.
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It depends on what the LS6 is in I think...I see far more 345-355 C5Zs than I do the CTSv cars. Probably a higher drivetrain loss or different tune in the CTSv cars?
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Oh man you better avoid the challenge like the plague then...no room for that **** in there.
Yeah that's why I never bothered.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Yeah that's why I never bothered.
Damn it... that means you are smarter than I am. ****.
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Damn it... that means you are smarter than I am. ****.
I knew that even if I ever did make it this year, it wouldn't be till end of july or august.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Not that I have been around many......but a quick search can find plenty at 350+. Easy to find bolt-on ls6's over 400 too. Mine for instance is well over 400, 430~ on a dynojet. Cam only ls6's should be 450+ if the guys is serious about making power and don't just want to talk about his cam install.
From my experience odthetruth's calculations seem to be spot on. Those #'s, 340/360, seem a bit high especially w/o longtubes. Getting the long tubes installed was the biggest power adder bolt on, about 30/30 gain at the rear wheels. If those #'s were made on a "good" dyno with the mods you stated I would almost guarantee thats a record. You have stated you put down 417/395, very good for a bolt on LS6. The cam only 450+ I can't believe. LS1/6 cars i've seen running 450+ rwhp are mostly H/C/I builds. Here's one...

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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-z...ly-c5-z06.html

2003 Z06, EnglandGreen Whiplash II cam kit, American Racing Headers, high flow cats, stock catback & Vararam. Stock heads.

445rwhp, 394rwtq
HBJ40 - 2003 Z06, EnglandGreen Whiplash II cam kit, American Racing headers, high flow cats, GHL Bullets, Vararam. Stock heads.

450rwhp 385rwtq
Edit: I found these inside 2 minutes... I am sure you can find other examples (north of 450rwhp) with some effort.

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Originally Posted by 2003Cobro
Never lost to a slow *** bolt on ls1. But I hear with full bolt ons and sticky tires they can break a 12.90. But you wouldn't know because you've never been to the track. You just pretend to know what your talking about.
I hit 12.9 with just a cat back in my 01
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
It depends on what the LS6 is in I think...I see far more 345-355 C5Zs than I do the CTSv cars. Probably a higher drivetrain loss or different tune in the CTSv cars?
I can see that.....the cts-v's have those 80lb clutches and super heavy wheel tire combo soaking some up.
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From my experience odthetruth's calculations seem to be spot on. Those #'s, 340/360, seem a bit high especially w/o longtubes. Getting the long tubes installed was the biggest power adder bolt on, about 30/30 gain at the rear wheels. If those #'s were made on a "good" dyno with the mods you stated I would almost guarantee thats a record. You have stated you put down 417/395, very good for a bolt on LS6. The cam only 450+ I can't believe. LS1/6 cars i've seen running 450+ rwhp are mostly H/C/I builds. Here's one...

LMR Reaper LS1 corvette makes 440rwhp - YouTube
By the quick glimpse of the graph it was still goin up at a pretty good rate.......most are skeered to turn these engines for some reason. A ls6 should be good to 7400-7600 with the appropriate cam/springs/intake.

W/o being on the same dyno it's hard to say. Most want to go by dynojet numbers. My dynojet numbers would be 431hp/405tq. My 417hp/395 numbers were made on a dyno dynamics, they are known to be conservative. Before the 1.8 rockers it made 413 on the same dyno.....which is exactly what vetteboy's record ls6 car made. He also dyno's on a dyno dynamics but not the one I am on. They are both full bolt-ons. Like I said if you are serious about making some hp out of them they will do it. Most would rather talk about their cam though.

Briansformula has also been over 400 with his bolt-on ls6.
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-z...ly-c5-z06.html





Edit: I found these inside 2 minutes... I am sure you can find other examples (north of 450rwhp) with some effort.
Good find.....neither of those cars had a fast on it either. +15rwhp for a ported fast on them easily.

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