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Old 06-23-2014, 12:04 PM
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Sweet vette! So it is attainable, awesome! Any 450+ or is 450 the max someone with cam/bolt on's LS6 got. Maybe Hio should be a little more descriptive. He stated "cam only LS6 should make 450+". Stated correctly cam/bolt-on LS6. Another thing, how it "should" make this power. Even after someone stated the LS6 should do that "easy" on that vette site, the builder came to disagree & said it was not "easy".
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My train of thought tells me that one should be serious about making power before they go inside the engine with at or near full bolt-ons. But there are plenty that just want that cool cammed sound and you can tell by their underperforming mess that is all they are interested in.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I can see that.....the cts-v's have those 80lb clutches and super heavy wheel tire combo soaking some up.

By the quick glimpse of the graph it was still goin up at a pretty good rate.......most are skeered to turn these engines for some reason. A ls6 should be good to 7400-7600 with the appropriate cam/springs/intake.

W/o being on the same dyno it's hard to say. Most want to go by dynojet numbers. My dynojet numbers would be 431hp/405tq. My 417hp/395 numbers were made on a dyno dynamics, they are known to be conservative. Before the 1.8 rockers it made 413 on the same dyno.....which is exactly what vetteboy's record ls6 car made. He also dyno's on a dyno dynamics but not the one I am on. They are both full bolt-ons. Like I said if you are serious about making some hp out of them they will do it. Most would rather talk about their cam though.

Briansformula has also been over 400 with his bolt-on ls6.


Good find.....neither of those cars had a fast on it either. +15rwhp for a ported fast on them easily.
WOW I think thats the highest rpm I've heard on these 346's. 7400-7600? Race cam?
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
My train of thought tells me that one should be serious about making power before they go inside the engine with at or near full bolt-ons. But there are plenty that just want that cool cammed sound and you can tell by their underperforming mess that is all they are interested in.
I'll say that is a fact!
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That would be badass to have a ls motor rev like the 5.0
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Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
WOW I think thats the highest rpm I've heard on these 346's. 7400-7600? Race cam?
I've turned mine 7000 for years.......thinking of bumping the limiter to 7200. It smacks the limiter like no body's business.

A grand am cup cam and gmpp 243 heads will let you turn 7400-7600. Did that to a buddy's ws6.
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That would be badass to have a ls motor rev like the 5.0
It's a none issue. Look around on here at all the graphs that stop short or level and they stop turning them. Turn that bitch till it falls off. One problem with turning alot of rpm is the intakes that are available for ls engines. I would love to try a lsx r/t intake if it would fit.....I bet it would free up some rpm and power.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I've turned mine 7000 for years.......thinking of bumping the limiter to 7200. It smacks the limiter like no body's business.

A grand am cup cam and gmpp 243 heads will let you turn 7400-7600. Did that to a buddy's ws6.


It's a none issue. Look around on here at all the graphs that stop short or level and they stop turning them. Turn that bitch till it falls off. One problem with turning alot of rpm is the intakes that are available for ls engines. I would love to try a lsx r/t intake if it would fit.....I bet it would free up some rpm and power.
I thought fast 102 was the gold standard on the ls motors?
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Originally Posted by OneSlowV
I thought fast 102 was the gold standard on the ls motors?
Just cause it fits under the hood line don't mean it's gold. I bought dietcokes old ls7 fast when he went to another intake and he picked up some pretty major power. A gmpp carb style intake will make more than a fast.

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Originally Posted by OneSlowV
I thought fast 102 was the gold standard on the ls motors?
as one that fits under the stock cowling of an fbody.
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Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
Sweet vette! So it is attainable, awesome! Any 450+ or is 450 the max someone with cam/bolt on's LS6 got. Maybe Hio should be a little more descriptive. He stated "cam only LS6 should make 450+". Stated correctly cam/bolt-on LS6. Another thing, how it "should" make this power. Even after someone stated the LS6 should do that "easy" on that vette site, the builder came to disagree & said it was not "easy".
"Cam only" is always a loaded statement.... it includes bolt ons in this context. As far as the builder... he is there to sell product... he wants you to buy it from him. With the right parts the result should be reproducible (aka "easy") if that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
"Cam only" is always a loaded statement.... it includes bolt ons in this context. As far as the builder... he is there to sell product... he wants you to buy it from him. With the right parts the result should be reproducible (aka "easy") if that makes sense.
Sounds about right.
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Originally Posted by 1 Slow WS6
I hit 12.9 with just a cat back in my 01
Lol cobro doesn't know jack **** obviously. He's just mad that N/A LSX's have been man handling his supercharged tird
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This is my buddies 2003 mach 1 and my 2001 ws6 on the dyno same day.Both cars are manuals, have similar mods intake and cat back. Neither one of them are tuned. The mach 1 could never get me and it pissed my buddy of because that's one reason he got the car. He pre ordered it and all I heard was how I had no chance once he got it. Lets just say he was disappointed ,haha This thread gave me a good laugh.

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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
My train of thought tells me that one should be serious about making power before they go inside the engine with at or near full bolt-ons. But there are plenty that just want that cool cammed sound and you can tell by their underperforming mess that is all they are interested in.
yup--- thumpr cams...
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Originally Posted by 1 Slow WS6
This is my buddies 2003 mach 1 and my 2001 ws6 on the dyno same day. Both cars have similar mods intake and cat back. Neither one of them are tuned. The mach 1 could never get me and it pissed my buddy of because that's one reason he got the car. He pre ordered it and all I heard was how I had no chance once he got it. Lets just say he was disappointed ,haha This thread gave me a good laugh.
Mach dyno graphs are strange to me. It's like they get up to peak power, fall off a little......it's like they're saying "I think I can I think I can". But the graph says no you can't.
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I often wonder what a Mach 1 would do with an ls1 in it. Not to be an ******* to anyone but they have a superior setup over the fbody... Little lighter, better gearing and seem to hook up better. Would likely be a solid 12 second car.... Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
I often wonder what a Mach 1 would do with an ls1 in it. Not to be an ******* to anyone but they have a superior setup over the fbody... Little lighter, better gearing and seem to hook up better. Would likely be a solid 12 second car.... Thoughts?
Considering it would probably drop 50 or so pounds from the nose and make an additional ~30 hp/tq, yeah. I'd say mid-high 12s all else the same.
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Originally Posted by SharkBait Hoo Ha Ha
Lol cobro doesn't know jack **** obviously. He's just mad that N/A LSX's have been man handling his supercharged tird
I know plenty dickwad. And NA LSX have been looking at my rear plate since I bought this car. In fact I actually back up my mouth unlike your scared bitch *** with no info. I got runs set up in two weeks with guys off this very site.
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Originally Posted by 2003Cobro
I know plenty dickwad. And NA LSX have been looking at my rear plate since I bought this car. In fact I actually back up my mouth unlike your scared bitch *** with no info. I got runs set up in two weeks with guys off this very site.
I can't hear/read "dickwad". Without picturing Arnold saying it lol. Makes me chuckle erry time.


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