ME vs. MY BRO
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yea i didnt wanna start in 1st .. prolly should have and really would have tossed him... i started in 2nd gear ..around 35mph and we had our windows rolled down i counted really loud and we both punched it.. and i guess like yall said i shoulda started in 1st and changed around 6000 ..but it was my 1st "real race" i guess..gotta start somewhere..
ha ..yea im all stock.. and my dad bought me my car..and my bro had a stock 01' GT mustang ..so he had to boost up the stang so it could hang a lil closer with lil bro ls1
and im thinkin about ..lowering my car/cutout/air lid, not really sure what to do yet.
ha ..yea im all stock.. and my dad bought me my car..and my bro had a stock 01' GT mustang ..so he had to boost up the stang so it could hang a lil closer with lil bro ls1
and im thinkin about ..lowering my car/cutout/air lid, not really sure what to do yet.
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Originally Posted by Cast00'T/A
and im thinkin about ..lowering my car/cutout/air lid, not really sure what to do yet.
p.s. Dont feel bad about barely beating him. I ran a 2002 Gt with exhaust and gears when I first put my pro 5.0 on. I hit no mans land from 2nd to 3rd and shut down.
Originally Posted by Joegt38
Im not going to start a war or flame but xplain how that possible? Its not if you look at power to weight. A lightly modded GT w/ 100shot should be putting well over 350rwhp. If I also recall the GT is a lil lighter, correct me if Im wrong. He may have had a 100 shot but wasn't spraying it. I know how powerfull LS1 are 3 of my friends have them and I may be picking up a 02m6 z in a week 
(can't wait but I wanted a ws6).But like I had mensioned the power to weight it don't sound possible unless he wasn't spraying. Im not saying the GT is fast as hell and can hang w/ an ls1 cause it cant not enough power, but im telling ya now a intake xhaust, gear and nittos it will hang. I have beaten 2 LS1s and 1 with lid/ cutouts w/ my car before the custom tune and a few mods, on the vortech tune I made 352rwhp. With 352hp I ran from him hard.
(can't wait but I wanted a ws6).But like I had mensioned the power to weight it don't sound possible unless he wasn't spraying. Im not saying the GT is fast as hell and can hang w/ an ls1 cause it cant not enough power, but im telling ya now a intake xhaust, gear and nittos it will hang. I have beaten 2 LS1s and 1 with lid/ cutouts w/ my car before the custom tune and a few mods, on the vortech tune I made 352rwhp. With 352hp I ran from him hard.In between that time, he also lost at the track to my best friend who also had an 01 Z, lid/cutout that friday running a 12.9 at 111.8 to the gt that ran a 13.0 at 110. We have that on tape some where, also have his number if you want it.
Anyway, if you drive a ls1 6 speed correctly, a gt with and intake, gears and exhaust will get waxed pretty much every time from a roll.
Later,
Dave
I use to have a 100 dry shot. I thought it was pretty fast as I very seldom lost, mainly racing ls1s. However, when I had it tuned, I was only making 40rwhp extra when spraying??? I'm not sure why it sucked so bad but just by adjusting my fuel I jumped 29hp and 78tq. Tell him to put it on a dyno just to make sure its running ok.
Thats why u barely beat him. If you would have been in 1st at 35mph, You wouldnt believe how much harder you pulled on him. 35mph is an awesome roll for 1st gear in M6 car's with the stock 3.42's. Tell him you want to do it again and this time start in 1st and shift when the tach is around 5800 RPM. You will put a couple more car lengths on him this way. Have fun
Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Ahh.. ego bustin time... If a 99+ (romeo?) was S/Cd he would tear your *** up. If a 96~98 Gt is S/C They run 13s / High 12s?? I think the normal is 13s though. HUGE difference. BTW, with my combo Ive pulled on SEVERAL stock LS1 cars.......
The New GTs stock run with stock LT1s.....Gears wake those engines up. In fact Autos run 4:10s and are very tolerable.
I'm sorry boss, but 4.10 gears aren't ripping a full second off of the quarter time. There are numerous stang guys around here with bolt-ons and gears ... all of them run mid/high 13's.
That is true, but I know a guy around here with the exact same setup as the 'Stang he raced, and he's only running 13.8s on DRs... maybe his car is just a dog?
And as we can all see from this guys driving skill ... he SHOULD HAVE put more cars on him (just like I said) but he started in the wrong gear, and shifted way before his powerband. Thanks for the input tho stang guys.
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Originally Posted by SUPER DAVES Z
No flaming but I know the guy very well. It is very possible and I know he was spraying a 100hp dry shot. Other mods were intake and exhaust. He came to my house before we ran, I looked at the kit, then two weeks after the run, I traded a wet nitrous works kit I had for the Cumpucar kit he had in his car.
In between that time, he also lost at the track to my best friend who also had an 01 Z, lid/cutout that friday running a 12.9 at 111.8 to the gt that ran a 13.0 at 110. We have that on tape some where, also have his number if you want it.
Anyway, if you drive a ls1 6 speed correctly, a gt with and intake, gears and exhaust will get waxed pretty much every time from a roll.
Later,
Dave
In between that time, he also lost at the track to my best friend who also had an 01 Z, lid/cutout that friday running a 12.9 at 111.8 to the gt that ran a 13.0 at 110. We have that on tape some where, also have his number if you want it.
Anyway, if you drive a ls1 6 speed correctly, a gt with and intake, gears and exhaust will get waxed pretty much every time from a roll.
Later,
Dave
As far as the N20 stang he might be having some problems then cause Ive seen and also know people w/ that set up on their stangs and they pull much much better then that.
I agree with gears and a couple of bolt ons making a stang mid to high 13s. Mine went 13.60s back in the day when it was my wife's. However, I think your 13.0-13.3 is stretching it. Now many of you here can achieve that but not 99% of the people on the street. I'd say the car is good for low 13s but your average driver will net mid 13s. Due to more power than a gt, the ls1 is harder to put the power to the ground.
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Originally Posted by xphantomws6x
Really? This is interesting information. Yes, it was the older body style 4.6's ... not the newer Boxes. It was a stock stang with only a blower ... pulled over and talked to the guy for awhile.
Yep, and stock LT1's run low 14's ... impressive.
I'm sorry boss, but 4.10 gears aren't ripping a full second off of the quarter time. There are numerous stang guys around here with bolt-ons and gears ... all of them run mid/high 13's.
My point exactly. All I am saying is that you should have had this guy by way more then 1 car ... period. Anyone who is arguing with me has serious mental issues. Bolt-on / gear'd new stang GT = 13.5-13.8 .... stock LS1 = 13.0-13.3 .... yeah, you guys are right, what was I thinking....
And as we can all see from this guys driving skill ... he SHOULD HAVE put more cars on him (just like I said) but he started in the wrong gear, and shifted way before his powerband. Thanks for the input tho stang guys.
Yep, and stock LT1's run low 14's ... impressive.
I'm sorry boss, but 4.10 gears aren't ripping a full second off of the quarter time. There are numerous stang guys around here with bolt-ons and gears ... all of them run mid/high 13's.
My point exactly. All I am saying is that you should have had this guy by way more then 1 car ... period. Anyone who is arguing with me has serious mental issues. Bolt-on / gear'd new stang GT = 13.5-13.8 .... stock LS1 = 13.0-13.3 .... yeah, you guys are right, what was I thinking....
And as we can all see from this guys driving skill ... he SHOULD HAVE put more cars on him (just like I said) but he started in the wrong gear, and shifted way before his powerband. Thanks for the input tho stang guys.
A gear bolt-ons and DRs on a 99+ GT will run low 13s, you also say the LS1s stock are running 13.0-13.3 (ya better tell most of the stock ones at the track they suck then) I know of only a few in the 13.3 range but no lower (Im not saying its impossible but you talk like its normal) I see 6spd c5 pulling between 13.0s and 13.4s.
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Originally Posted by xphantomws6x
Really? This is interesting information. Yes, it was the older body style 4.6's ... not the newer Boxes. It was a stock stang with only a blower ... pulled over and talked to the guy for awhile.
Yep, and stock LT1's run low 14's ... impressive.
I'm sorry boss, but 4.10 gears aren't ripping a full second off of the quarter time. There are numerous stang guys around here with bolt-ons and gears ... all of them run mid/high 13's.
My point exactly. All I am saying is that you should have had this guy by way more then 1 car ... period. Anyone who is arguing with me has serious mental issues. Bolt-on / gear'd new stang GT = 13.5-13.8 .... stock LS1 = 13.0-13.3 .... yeah, you guys are right, what was I thinking....
And as we can all see from this guys driving skill ... he SHOULD HAVE put more cars on him (just like I said) but he started in the wrong gear, and shifted way before his powerband. Thanks for the input tho stang guys.
Yep, and stock LT1's run low 14's ... impressive.
I'm sorry boss, but 4.10 gears aren't ripping a full second off of the quarter time. There are numerous stang guys around here with bolt-ons and gears ... all of them run mid/high 13's.
My point exactly. All I am saying is that you should have had this guy by way more then 1 car ... period. Anyone who is arguing with me has serious mental issues. Bolt-on / gear'd new stang GT = 13.5-13.8 .... stock LS1 = 13.0-13.3 .... yeah, you guys are right, what was I thinking....
And as we can all see from this guys driving skill ... he SHOULD HAVE put more cars on him (just like I said) but he started in the wrong gear, and shifted way before his powerband. Thanks for the input tho stang guys.
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The original issue is a race from a roll. An M-6 LS1 against that G.T starting at a 35 roll shouldn't have even been close. 1st gear, powershift to 2nd and he'd be at least 2 to 3 cars ahead right there with decent tires that is. I used to get sideways on the damn stock F1's. Shifting at 6 grand (about 5800 in 1st due to slow tach) would also have helped.
Originally Posted by Joegt38
From a roll I agree, from a dig up to 85mph or so my $$ on the GT Ive witnessed it and done it myself.
As far as the N20 stang he might be having some problems then cause Ive seen and also know people w/ that set up on their stangs and they pull much much better then that.
As far as the N20 stang he might be having some problems then cause Ive seen and also know people w/ that set up on their stangs and they pull much much better then that.
His car was running fine. He said he beat a lot of LS1's too, and I'm sure he did. He hardly ever got beat out of the hole, but a roll is a whole different ballgame. ie traction is usuallly not an issue. As FinalTA said, it's all about trap speed there.
Later,
Dave
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The last Ls-1 I tangled with didn't have too good of a chance....
I think it was the driver skill. I was powershifting at 6k rpm and launched with trac. ctrl off at about 2500rpm.
I can't wait until I get my 3.73's
I think it was the driver skill. I was powershifting at 6k rpm and launched with trac. ctrl off at about 2500rpm.
I can't wait until I get my 3.73's
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Originally Posted by SUPER DAVES Z
So your saying a bolt on GT will win in an 1/8th mile race? My car trapped 86-87 in the 1/8, after that it's over.
His car was running fine. He said he beat a lot of LS1's too, and I'm sure he did. He hardly ever got beat out of the hole, but a roll is a whole different ballgame. ie traction is usuallly not an issue. As FinalTA said, it's all about trap speed there.
Later,
Dave
His car was running fine. He said he beat a lot of LS1's too, and I'm sure he did. He hardly ever got beat out of the hole, but a roll is a whole different ballgame. ie traction is usuallly not an issue. As FinalTA said, it's all about trap speed there.
Later,
Dave
................ ). I could only imagine if ya put a 4.10 on stock rubber in a LS1 he ain't going nowhere 
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From: DP, TX
Originally Posted by FinalTA
You guys are talking about bolt on GT's ET'ing well, but what are the trap speeds? An LS1 can be a monster from a roll...
Brandon
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From: DP, TX
Originally Posted by FinalTA
BrandoGT---what do you think that WS6 would have done to you from a roll (like the original post)?
Brandon
Im not saying he shouldnt have won, or pulled, but its not going to be buslengths or even a huge lead. Granted he could have pulled a lil more than he did, just as you guys said.. shift to 1st run to redline, etc...
Also the AVG Ive seen from stock LS1s is more like 13.3~13.6... Maybe everyone is a great driver where you race...but not everywhere. My friends' A4 LS1 cars got it hard from roll ons everytime I went at them. Of course I forget that only LS1 cars respond to mods... LT1s and GTs cant ever surpass the all mightly ls1. Ha
Also the AVG Ive seen from stock LS1s is more like 13.3~13.6... Maybe everyone is a great driver where you race...but not everywhere. My friends' A4 LS1 cars got it hard from roll ons everytime I went at them. Of course I forget that only LS1 cars respond to mods... LT1s and GTs cant ever surpass the all mightly ls1. Ha
If your going to lower your car don't expect to be launching so nicely at the drags. Once I lowered my old F body the launch was gayer than gay. Get some drag springs or something or keep it stock height... only reason to lower it would be for the look (Which is damn sexy..) Other than that get some DR's and take off your front swaybar and you will have a bear of a time launching :p. It's fun!!!