Bolt on 5.0 vs ls1 ' s bolt on and h/c
#41
Yeah. He might do gears yet this winter. That's a cheap and easy mod. They don't need gears as badly as you think though. The trans ratios in the autos are crazy low. His 2nd gear is almost as low as my 1st!
#48
Check out the gearing if you elimate the insane 1st gear after that the cars gearings aren't too far off you might spin your LS6 to 7800 in 3rd gear if you think them 3.15's will do you good Most the time with the stock manifold you hear the guys staying with the 3.15's because they never shift into 4th
5.0
1st 4.17
2nd 2.34
3rd 1.52
4th 1.14
LS1 T56
2.66
1.78
1.30
1.00
5.0
1st 4.17
2nd 2.34
3rd 1.52
4th 1.14
LS1 T56
2.66
1.78
1.30
1.00
#49
#50
How did I need help? What cause I wasn't even in the country? I was sitting in the middle of Iraq ad the car needed more testing...Nice try.
#51
Sounds like your racing guys that can't drive. LAst Trans Am I ran with heads and cam I beat his ET every time. And that was after not driving the car for 6 months to come home to a completely different car. Then 5th gens never stood a chance as around me they was busy running 12s with cammed setups.
#52
Check out the gearing if you elimate the insane 1st gear after that the cars gearings aren't too far off you might spin your LS6 to 7800 in 3rd gear if you think them 3.15's will do you good Most the time with the stock manifold you hear the guys staying with the 3.15's because they never shift into 4th
5.0
1st 4.17
2nd 2.34
3rd 1.52
4th 1.14
LS1 T56
2.66
1.78
1.30
1.00
5.0
1st 4.17
2nd 2.34
3rd 1.52
4th 1.14
LS1 T56
2.66
1.78
1.30
1.00
cause their not that far off
Sounds like your racing guys that can't drive. LAst Trans Am I ran with heads and cam I beat his ET every time. And that was after not driving the car for 6 months to come home to a completely different car. Then 5th gens never stood a chance as around me they was busy running 12s with cammed setups.
#53
So you going to answer the question or not, the tranny ratios are right in front of you or you going to dance around the question.......The not that far off remark had nothing to do with the 1st-2nd of the 5.0 it was from the 2-4 of the 5.0 vs the 1-4 of the Fbody
As always you missed the point and danced around the question
Thank you come again!!
As always you missed the point and danced around the question
Thank you come again!!
#54
I could see the modded 5.0 beating the bolt-on LS1 but I do not see the same for the H/C car unless it was not running correctly or it had a bad combination of parts.
I recently ran a 14 M6 5.0 with almost the same mods (BAMA tune, JLT CAI and O/R Mid-pipe) and I put a fender on him to 130mph (posted on SVT). I never thought myself to run with a H/C Ls1 though just based on what my buddies car (GTOSPD on LS1Tech) ran with his car.
He had a Camaro SS LS1 with a cam / ported 243 heads with a stall trapping 118. I think the H/C LS1 running in the vid is not a well running one for sure. Just my opinion though based on what I have seen.
I recently ran a 14 M6 5.0 with almost the same mods (BAMA tune, JLT CAI and O/R Mid-pipe) and I put a fender on him to 130mph (posted on SVT). I never thought myself to run with a H/C Ls1 though just based on what my buddies car (GTOSPD on LS1Tech) ran with his car.
He had a Camaro SS LS1 with a cam / ported 243 heads with a stall trapping 118. I think the H/C LS1 running in the vid is not a well running one for sure. Just my opinion though based on what I have seen.
Last edited by MACHXLR8; 01-19-2015 at 01:48 PM.
#55
It's his daily... And I told him to put lower gears in it but he hasnt. What I'm getting at is the traditional gearing ratios don't apply to 5.0's. 3.55's would be a really steep gear for his car. And if you were correct about 1:1 being the money shot then 5.0 manuals would have to run out the 1/4 in 5th gear.
#58
If it's his daily then do 3.31's would be a good inbetween and I know a lot of guys don't like the gearing in the MT82's and I know Jeremiah when he was still 6 speed shifted his car into 5th and he was the fastest MT82 car still might be not sure
#60
That's what I was recommending to him. You're just creating a strawman argument though Ryan. Nobody said the 3.15's are optimal, just they're not nearly as bad as you make it seem due to the trans gearing.