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Old 01-19-2015 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lawhead
Do you pretty much do all the research and modding to the car?

Stall, Drag pack (I'm sure he's still on 235's) Headers, and take out them Supra 3.15 gears and he will have an actual set up 5.0 to race your set up LS1 but I doubt he will go through all the trouble
Yeah. He might do gears yet this winter. That's a cheap and easy mod. They don't need gears as badly as you think though. The trans ratios in the autos are crazy low. His 2nd gear is almost as low as my 1st!
Old 01-19-2015 | 09:46 AM
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1:1 is still 1:1 when it comes to it to it and 4th or whatever 1:1 is always the money gear in either a 1/4 mile race or roll race both races end there
Old 01-19-2015 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Lawhead
1:1 is still 1:1 when it comes to it to it and 4th or whatever 1:1 is always the money gear in either a 1/4 mile race or roll race both races end there
Ok....
Old 01-19-2015 | 10:04 AM
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Don't hold out on your brother because you know what will hold him back
Old 01-19-2015 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Ok....
Someone don't understand gearing do they?...lol

That someone thinks you're out to sabotage. ....lol
Old 01-19-2015 | 10:26 AM
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So you think a car that revs out to 7400+ should have 3.15's in it Hio??
Old 01-19-2015 | 10:38 AM
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Depends on the trans gearing. ......duh

The 5br0 is not geared traditionally.
Old 01-19-2015 | 10:50 AM
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Check out the gearing if you elimate the insane 1st gear after that the cars gearings aren't too far off you might spin your LS6 to 7800 in 3rd gear if you think them 3.15's will do you good Most the time with the stock manifold you hear the guys staying with the 3.15's because they never shift into 4th

5.0

1st 4.17
2nd 2.34
3rd 1.52
4th 1.14

LS1 T56

2.66
1.78
1.30
1.00
Old 01-19-2015 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by loudblack97z71
word. 5.bros get so excited after beating an old clapped out high mileage improperly modded F-body. Although, I never lost to a single 5.bro in my old bolt-on stalled camaro.
Lets see some vids of your conquests...
Old 01-19-2015 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I can tell you if i were lookin for help on a 5bro it wouldn't come from ohio. He needed help just to get his car to a 11.4. Which happened w/o him around.....but is still yakkin about 10's
How did I need help? What cause I wasn't even in the country? I was sitting in the middle of Iraq ad the car needed more testing...Nice try.
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Originally Posted by loudblack97z71
word. 5.bros get so excited after beating an old clapped out high mileage improperly modded F-body. Although, I never lost to a single 5.bro in my old bolt-on stalled camaro.
Sounds like your racing guys that can't drive. LAst Trans Am I ran with heads and cam I beat his ET every time. And that was after not driving the car for 6 months to come home to a completely different car. Then 5th gens never stood a chance as around me they was busy running 12s with cammed setups.
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Originally Posted by Lawhead
Check out the gearing if you elimate the insane 1st gear after that the cars gearings aren't too far off you might spin your LS6 to 7800 in 3rd gear if you think them 3.15's will do you good Most the time with the stock manifold you hear the guys staying with the 3.15's because they never shift into 4th

5.0

1st 4.17
2nd 2.34
3rd 1.52
4th 1.14

LS1 T56

2.66
1.78
1.30
1.00
Go ahead and do the math for those gear ratios. That 4.17 1st gear and 2.34 2nd probably does nothing for those 3.15's

cause their not that far off
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How did I need help? What cause I wasn't even in the country? I was sitting in the middle of Iraq ad the car needed more testing...Nice try.
That's what i said......a shop ran your car to it's fastest time. Which still was not impressive even by your own standard.
Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Sounds like your racing guys that can't drive. LAst Trans Am I ran with heads and cam I beat his ET every time. And that was after not driving the car for 6 months to come home to a completely different car. Then 5th gens never stood a chance as around me they was busy running 12s with cammed setups.
Let me put it like this. A ls6 is and should be the weakest h/c you could ever do to a ls1. My ls6 would've drug the **** outta your 5br0. How good do you think that h/c ta was?
Old 01-19-2015 | 01:04 PM
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So you going to answer the question or not, the tranny ratios are right in front of you or you going to dance around the question.......The not that far off remark had nothing to do with the 1st-2nd of the 5.0 it was from the 2-4 of the 5.0 vs the 1-4 of the Fbody

As always you missed the point and danced around the question

Thank you come again!!
Old 01-19-2015 | 01:38 PM
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I could see the modded 5.0 beating the bolt-on LS1 but I do not see the same for the H/C car unless it was not running correctly or it had a bad combination of parts.

I recently ran a 14 M6 5.0 with almost the same mods (BAMA tune, JLT CAI and O/R Mid-pipe) and I put a fender on him to 130mph (posted on SVT). I never thought myself to run with a H/C Ls1 though just based on what my buddies car (GTOSPD on LS1Tech) ran with his car.
He had a Camaro SS LS1 with a cam / ported 243 heads with a stall trapping 118. I think the H/C LS1 running in the vid is not a well running one for sure. Just my opinion though based on what I have seen.

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Old 01-19-2015 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawhead
Don't hold out on your brother because you know what will hold him back
It's his daily... And I told him to put lower gears in it but he hasnt. What I'm getting at is the traditional gearing ratios don't apply to 5.0's. 3.55's would be a really steep gear for his car. And if you were correct about 1:1 being the money shot then 5.0 manuals would have to run out the 1/4 in 5th gear.
Old 01-19-2015 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Depends on the trans gearing. ......duh

The 5br0 is not geared traditionally.
You'll have to excuse Ryan. He doesn't build cars, he just buys them.
Old 01-19-2015 | 01:43 PM
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Bama tuned cars suck. If you are running with one then if they get a proper tune it will be world's different. I had a bama nothing wrong with them but very conservative
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If it's his daily then do 3.31's would be a good inbetween and I know a lot of guys don't like the gearing in the MT82's and I know Jeremiah when he was still 6 speed shifted his car into 5th and he was the fastest MT82 car still might be not sure
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Originally Posted by big hammer
You'll have to excuse Ryan. He doesn't build cars, he just buys them.
Oh he mad!!!

Bolt on warriors coming at me all wrong
Old 01-19-2015 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawhead
If it's his daily then do 3.31's would be a good inbetween and I know a lot of guys don't like the gearing in the MT82's and I know Jeremiah when he was still 6 speed shifted his car into 5th and he was the fastest MT82 car still might be not sure
That's what I was recommending to him. You're just creating a strawman argument though Ryan. Nobody said the 3.15's are optimal, just they're not nearly as bad as you make it seem due to the trans gearing.


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