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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 01:31 PM
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I talked to Lund about going E85 and we both agreed it would be pretty well pointless for me to do so with how the car is. It isn't worth it for a bolt on car, really. Unless like Poppa said and you just want more timing.

Now, when the car is boosted, it will be 100% on E85 all the time.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 2003Cobro
Just for reference how much power are you thinking a NA coyote gets from E85?
Keep reading......but the fbo i ran said he picked up 16 or 18whp. Then he said he picked up about the same on $30 per/gal ftw e85. So this is what you have to watch. 5br0s are sneaky.....one could easily say e85 and pick up 30+hp by using ftw.
Originally Posted by Red is Faster
I agree that it's a no brainer but my point had nothing to do with which engine is better. Keep in mind that I said usable power. For all I know the Coyote makes more power under the curve from 6000-8800 than the LS7 from 5000-7200 (most likely RPM ranges they'd be in while drag racing, depending on gearing). My point was simply that it seems like he's misrepresenting the power those engines are making in the midrange as being equivalent.
The problem with the comparison made is it's a max effort 5br0......compared to a h\c ls7 and the 5br0 still don't match tye power. Now stroke and build the ls7 and recompare.

Fyi....max effort h/c ls7 has been over 700whp.
Originally Posted by redbird555
E85 isnt really about peak gains on ANY NA engine its about what comes in the midrange and before redline. For that it provides solid gains, every time the car shifts you're dropping into a much higher powerband.

I laugh when people down play e85 as a "do nothing 10hp" mod. It gains a lot on any engine just not at peak but for some reason 5.0 guys near me love to play it off as though they did it for the cheaper fuel price .
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...mparison-today
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Originally Posted by big hammer
You guys are lucky to have race gas at the pump
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
E85 on a NA Coyote is only good for 10rwhpish
Not telling the whole story


Ps....send muh $20 pleaze
Originally Posted by corysmach1
Yep 8-12. These guys are reaching hard. They think the **** pulls miracles.
I guess you should go back to pump then.....and not cry about it.
Originally Posted by 2003Cobro
Come on man you know its gods jizz. But yeah LS guys always have the excuses flowing.
Excuses? A fbo e85 best furd makes beat a 12 yr old Cadillac sedan by a car .....lol
Originally Posted by corysmach1
Kinda like faceplating trans doesn't help LS guys lol. I can admit E85 helps but its minimal. But E85 isn't winning all these races.
FP'd trans don't help if your shifts are already quick and clean. Btw....a fp'd trans don't add hp.


E85 did win this one. There is a reason you're running it.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 06:26 PM
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Coyotes aren't that fast.... The fastest one I've raced had cobra jet intake, full exhaust, e85, 1 piece ds, $1200 clutch, gears, $2000 worth of comp stage 3 cams, CAI, tb, etc. ALL OF THAT and its pretty much a drivers race. I have a $500 clutch, stock gears, stock driveshaft, 91 octane, stock intake airbox
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
FP'd trans don't help if your shifts are already quick and clean. Btw....a fp'd trans don't add
Then why do you have one if it does nothing?
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NateLS1Mustang
Then why do you have one if it does nothing?
Keeps from thrashing sycros......pretty simple. I did mine 8yrs ago.


Just a little fyi.....fcar mostly but early t56's didn't have triple cone sycros like gto/vettes/v cars.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by redbird555
Ya if I can get a dual map pcm and a sensor I'd do the same thing. It really is for people trying to squeeze all they can from their setup. But like stated e85 might only show 10 at peak but usually 15-20 in the midrange. Lots of people like to forget to admit that part....That goes for any engine though not just a 5.0.

Saying e85 gains 10whp and doesnt do much of anything is like saying a boss intake is a waste of time because it loses low end tq and makes 5whp more at the factory redline.
Yeah, but even 20rwhp in the midrange is not THAT huge of an advantage in the grand scheme of things. Now with FI, 100more rwhp in the midrange... well... thats nom nom biscuits.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 07:56 PM
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Lol.....20 usable hp is huge. It made the difference in this race. My bet is the 5br0 woulda lost without e85.

Comments like this is why i prefer n/a.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Lol.....20 usable hp is huge. It made the difference in this race. My bet is the 5br0 woulda lost without e85.

Comments like this is why i prefer n/a.
FI rulez x1000.

F1A, or Hellion twin kit.... whachuthink Hio?
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
FI rulez x1000.

F1A, or Hellion twin kit.... whachuthink Hio?
Hard decision. I love the sound of a procharger and it's instant power but turbos are hard to beat. I'd probably go with the twin setup if it was me. But I'm not Hio so I don't know **** :/.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NateLS1Mustang
Hard decision. I love the sound of a procharger and it's instant power but turbos are hard to beat. I'd probably go with the twin setup if it was me. But I'm not Hio so I don't know **** :/.
Heh.. I am leaning to twins also. They are making massive power, and the 15 5.0 engines are holding 800rwhp pretty reliably so far(Boss bottom end). I like the simplicity of the Procharger install though. Helped a buddy of mine put his D1SC on his 15 Mustang this weekend. Wasn't too bad, and could probably do mine in half the time now that I have gone through it.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
Heh.. I am leaning to twins also. They are making massive power, and the 15 5.0 engines are holding 800rwhp pretty reliably so far(Boss bottom end). I like the simplicity of the Procharger install though. Helped a buddy of mine put his D1SC on his 15 Mustang this weekend. Wasn't too bad, and could probably do mine in half the time now that I have gone through it.
Blower installs might be easier than turbos but I constantly read more issues with blowers after the fact than I do with turbos.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
FI rulez x1000.

F1A, or Hellion twin kit.... whachuthink Hio?
I think you're a furd guy. You need boost to keep up.
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Old Sep 20, 2015 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 4PointSlow
Coyotes aren't that fast.... The fastest one I've raced had cobra jet intake, full exhaust, e85, 1 piece ds, $1200 clutch, gears, $2000 worth of comp stage 3 cams, CAI, tb, etc. ALL OF THAT and its pretty much a drivers race. I have a $500 clutch, stock gears, stock driveshaft, 91 octane, stock intake airbox
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
Heh.. I am leaning to twins also. They are making massive power, and the 15 5.0 engines are holding 800rwhp pretty reliably so far(Boss bottom end). I like the simplicity of the Procharger install though. Helped a buddy of mine put his D1SC on his 15 Mustang this weekend. Wasn't too bad, and could probably do mine in half the time now that I have gone through it.
Trust me, go twins. I have personally seen a TT Coyote and a Centri Coyote in person running, riding in both, and I would never have any other form of boost than turbo's on these cars.
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Old Sep 21, 2015 | 03:06 AM
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Hio- I don't cry about ****....your seriously the only person in America that doesn't admit a Faceplated trans is huge! I run E85 because yes it helps some.... Just like Faceplating.
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Old Sep 21, 2015 | 08:48 AM
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Actually I'm not the only one. Some one did a write up here on tech about. Hammer posted the link once but i don't have it. Like i said.....if you're banging gears quick and smooth like you....like hammer....like myself pre fp. Then it won't help. Basically when you power shift you stab the clutch as fast as you can and pull the gear. Now if you're already stabbing the clutch as fast as you can then there is no time to be gained.

Unlike e85 which reduces et by 2-3 tenths if tuned right. So no....they are not "just like" at all.

Another un just likeness is one you are relying on getting into another gear faster to help your acceleration......the other accelerates the car faster AFTER the shift at ALL times the gear is engaged .

No likeness at all really. Just wishful thinking on your part.
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Old Sep 21, 2015 | 09:19 AM
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E85 is def worth it on a bolt on bro. The problem is the cost...
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Old Sep 21, 2015 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
... Like i said.....if you're banging gears quick and smooth like you....like hammer....like myself pre fp. Then it won't help. Basically when you power shift you stab the clutch as fast as you can and pull the gear. Now if you're already stabbing the clutch as fast as you can then there is no time to be gained.....
So....your tranny was awesome pre fp, but you spent monies on it anyways.

So....you talk about stabbing the clutch, but when you race you don't use the clutch with your fp trans.

LOL....wow...WTF...and...
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Old Sep 21, 2015 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I think you're a furd guy. You use boost to #multifreighttraingap dem LS cars.
Fixed for you.

Looking into a Limitless Performance twin kit also. Guy with a 2015 Stock motor, stock driveshaft, stock axles, stock 6R80 etc etc just went 6.4 and 6.2 1/8th. Still dialing in. These cars are beasts with boost. Dem' LS motahs don't stand a chance.

I need to figure out how to capture, post FB post videos.. anyone know? Here is a screenshot of his post. No times on the vid though.. looks like it was a grudge race. That 6.2 was an easy mid-high 9 second run. STOCK unopened motor. FTW.



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Old Sep 21, 2015 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Actually I'm not the only one. Some one did a write up here on tech about. Hammer posted the link once but i don't have it. Like i said.....if you're banging gears quick and smooth like you....like hammer....like myself pre fp. Then it won't help. Basically when you power shift you stab the clutch as fast as you can and pull the gear. Now if you're already stabbing the clutch as fast as you can then there is no time to be gained.

Unlike e85 which reduces et by 2-3 tenths if tuned right. So no....they are not "just like" at all.

Another un just likeness is one you are relying on getting into another gear faster to help your acceleration......the other accelerates the car faster AFTER the shift at ALL times the gear is engaged .

No likeness at all really. Just wishful thinking on your part.
I could shift faster with a faceplated Trans yes. Would I go quicker? Yes. Since when is 10rwhp worth .2-.3???? Your reaching hard man....really hard....and you look dumb doing it.
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Old Sep 21, 2015 | 03:37 PM
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Doug looks like a mental midget and actual midget on a daily basis.
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