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Old 05-13-2016, 12:21 AM
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Local racing group is doing a top 10 "street car" list and this was a race for the #2 spot. 3 races on a pro tree - I'll admit that I need a lot of practice. 5.0 took home the W.

5.0 is on 13lbs from a P1SC, roughly 640whp.

C6Z is a 10.5:1 427 LSX with a small cam, 1 7/8" headers, MSD IM, CAI, roughly 540whp.

Air temp around 90F, lots of heat soaking in the lanes for both of us.

My runs were 11.0, 10.9, 10.9. First run was a 1.9 60 and subsequent runs were 1.7 60s.




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Originally Posted by Red is Faster
Local racing group is doing a top 10 "street car" list and this was a race for the #2 spot. 3 races on a pro tree - I'll admit that I need a lot of practice. 5.0 took home the W.

5.0 is on 13lbs from a P1SC, roughly 640whp.

C6Z is a 10.5:1 427 LSX with a small cam, 1 7/8" headers, MSD IM, CAI, roughly 540whp.

Air temp around 90F, lots of heat soaking in the lanes for both of us.

My runs were 11.0, 10.9, 10.9.



C6Z vs 5.0
What did the 5.0 run in these vids? Your car sounds amazing!
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What did the 5.0 run in these vids? Your car sounds amazing!
He was hitting bottom 11s and trapping high 120s. I had better ETs and traps, but he got me on the tree pretty good in runs 1 and 3.
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Nice cars. The vette is clearly faster, but it's who ever gets there first. That is one nice N/A car you got. What were your trap speeds?
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Nice cars. The vette is clearly faster, but it's who ever gets there first. That is one nice N/A car you got. What were your trap speeds?
Thanks! I hit a 132 when I let the car cool down for a while and managed to go straight up from the lanes (no waiting), but all the runs in this vid were 128-129. I think I'll be changing up my Halltech for a Vararam... IATs were sitting on 135-140F by the time I did a burnout, and weren't recovering until the end of the track. Also looking at a flex fuel sensor + injectors so I can mix in some E85.

Also my 60 foots were 1.7-1.75. I've watched a friend with similar power go 1.45 on the same tires in his C6Z... so practice is needed.
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Originally Posted by Red is Faster
Thanks! I hit a 132 when I let the car cool down for a while and managed to go straight up from the lanes (no waiting), but all the runs in this vid were 128-129. I think I'll be changing up my Halltech for a Vararam... IATs were sitting on 135-140F by the time I did a burnout, and weren't recovering until the end of the track. Also looking at a flex fuel sensor + injectors so I can mix in some E85.

Also my 60 foots were 1.7-1.75. I've watched a friend with similar power go 1.45 on the same tires in his C6Z... so practice is needed.
E85 will wake the car up. Get ready though, the price tag for flex fuel is pretty high to do it correctly.

Nitrous will wake it up even more
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Originally Posted by 427zm
E85 will wake the car up. Get ready though, the price tag for flex fuel is pretty high to do it correctly.

Nitrous will wake it up even more
Looks like around $400 for injectors (just 60lb), $200-400 for flex fuel sensor (depending on custom install or "kit"), and if I choose to have someone tune it instead of myself another $500ish for the tune. What am I missing? Formato says there's no need to change fuel pump or any fuel lines.

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Car runs good and sounds great, just curious though, why the lower compression?
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very nice op! you got the w on round 2 but round 1 and three were a bit lazy coming out the hole. Imho you won because you obviously reeled him in on all runs. This is why I don't particularly care for track racing though to me the faster car is more determined by a 40 - 130+ roll (real world results). Still all in fun though, nice run
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Red: do you think the Vararam Intake will work a lot better than the Halltech Intake?
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You really would only need 60lb injectors to run e85? I would think that would put you at close to max on that size with how much quicker e85 burns.

Good runs, btw.
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Your need approximately 36% more fuel on E85 IIRC. So multiply your current injector by 1.36 and that is what you need.

42lb x 1.36 = 58ish lbs. A 60lb would do if he is running 42s.
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Originally Posted by V8EATR
Car runs good and sounds great, just curious though, why the lower compression?
Built the engine with boost in mind. Ring gaps are set for boost/nitrous and we went a little lower compression. Cam is a wide LSA for boost. It should be able to comfortably handle about 1500 at the crank.

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very nice op! you got the w on round 2 but round 1 and three were a bit lazy coming out the hole. Imho you won because you obviously reeled him in on all runs. This is why I don't particularly care for track racing though to me the faster car is more determined by a 40 - 130+ roll (real world results). Still all in fun though, nice run
Yeah we are doing digs on a pro tree because it's about the driver AND the car. Once I get a feel for reaction times and get my 60s down a little, he's going to need more power to keep up for sure.

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Red: do you think the Vararam Intake will work a lot better than the Halltech Intake?
Halltech will probably make more power on a dyno. However, the Vararam will have ambient IATs even after sitting in the lanes and all the way down the track. I trapped a few mph higher the one run I started with ~95F IATs, so it's very noticeable. IMO for drag racing at a track, the IAT advantage is worth it. If I was roll racing on the highway I'd keep the halltech.


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Your need approximately 36% more fuel on E85 IIRC. So multiply your current injector by 1.36 and that is what you need.

42lb x 1.36 = 58ish lbs. A 60lb would do if he is running 42s.
Yep. My 42lb injectors are sitting on around 87-88% duty cycle. I'll probably never run more than ~50% E85 while I'm still NA, but I am thinking I can go 100% E85 and still hit less than 90% duty cycle with 60lb injectors.
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If 60's work then that'll be a lot nicer on the checking account. Sometimes I forget just how much more fuel you have to run on a moon boosted set up vs NA. lol
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If 60's work then that'll be a lot nicer on the checking account. Sometimes I forget just how much more fuel you have to run on a moon boosted set up vs NA. lol
Yep, we typically run a much fatter AFR ratio compared to an NA motor. That alone can account for another 10 or 15% fuel right off the top. Maybe more, depending.
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Originally Posted by Red is Faster
Built the engine with boost in mind. Ring gaps are set for boost/nitrous and we went a little lower compression. Cam is a wide LSA for boost. It should be able to comfortably handle about 1500 at the crank.



Yeah we are doing digs on a pro tree because it's about the driver AND the car. Once I get a feel for reaction times and get my 60s down a little, he's going to need more power to keep up for sure.



Halltech will probably make more power on a dyno. However, the Vararam will have ambient IATs even after sitting in the lanes and all the way down the track. I trapped a few mph higher the one run I started with ~95F IATs, so it's very noticeable. IMO for drag racing at a track, the IAT advantage is worth it. If I was roll racing on the highway I'd keep the halltech.




Yep. My 42lb injectors are sitting on around 87-88% duty cycle. I'll probably never run more than ~50% E85 while I'm still NA, but I am thinking I can go 100% E85 and still hit less than 90% duty cycle with 60lb injectors.
Yea, you should be fine with the 60lbers. I always like to go a little more, just for room later, but since you are going to boost it eventually, you might as well just wait and step up to ID2000s when you go big power!
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Vette sounds nasty. Good runs.


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