Originally Posted by Irunelevens

So...does everyone with bolt-ons have to say "weight reduction" is one of their mods if the aftermarket parts are lighter than the stock parts?

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Ask the cobros. They seem ti always cry about weight unless it's in their favor then it's run what brung.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Ask the cobros. They seem ti always cry about weight unless it's in their favor then it's run what brung.

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

Yeah, most S550s are not that great stock. Once mods start, Scat Packs cant keep up doe' From what I see, there are not that many FAST bolt on only Mopars, other than the Hellcats of course..

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

Yeah, most S550s are not that great stock. Once mods start, Scat Packs cant keep up doe' From what I see, there are not that many FAST bolt on only Mopars, other than the Hellcats of course..

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

We have zero issues with wheels/tires, catback etc cutting weight off the cars
It seems the Hio crew tends to want to yank other things off their cars, including 5th gens just to be able to compete.

I GUARANTEE their cars at full factory weight like mine with only wheels, or catback reducing that weight, would get gapped. That's the big secret with the Hio crew.... they need very lightweight cars to prevent the gap train from running on them...

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

That's not at all what goes on, and people have been saying it for literally years on here. For example; the stock H-pipe on my '98 GT had SIX catalytic converters (2 pre-cats, 4 regular). Replacing that with a catless H-pipe probably dropped at least 25-30lbs, but it is simply an aside. Insisting that people list "weight reduction" as a mod when they replace their exhaust is silly. NOW, people who do things like deliberately drill holes in suspension parts, remove bumper supports and door bars, install lightweight wheels (for the purpose of weight removal), etc... that is deliberate "weight reduction." There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, but it isn't "simple," and definitely not the same thing as installing an exhaust system.

Originally Posted by NateLS1Mustang

We've already established that Doug has to refer to his car as a "FBO, extreme weight reduction, internally modded, and faceplated trans" from now on since he wants to be so literal.

Originally Posted by Its Stock

Scat's > 6gen

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

What about the guy that does his research and finds the lighter cat back vs the heavier one. Would that not be weight reduction?

Originally Posted by CamOnlyJabroni

All LBO cars. I can get 6-10 more listings of low 12's stock and high 11 slips but it doesn't matter to me really. Dodge doesn't have near the following either as Ford or GM. There are people pulling these times with minimal effort. ON 20'S FOR THE MOST PART!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...ml#post5538978

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...ml#post5930441

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...ml#post6105857

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...ml#post6575969

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...ml#post6576113

Originally Posted by 99peweterls1

Your forgetting the manual guys that can leave hard at will stock with a good set of tires.

For instance I would be P.O'd if I couldn't get a 1.7 60ft with a set of slicks. I plan to try that sooner than later.

Meanwhile the A6 guys will always be held back buy the stock converter.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

For starters you're not full factory weight

Secondly.....with your car at it's best right now you would be lucky if you beat phils 1le with his at full weight on stock wheels and all


More like sexgen > all

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

I have never in my life heard of someone picking a cat-back system because of weight, it is always about power/sound. In either case, no I personally wouldn't consider that to be "weight reduction." It would be (more than likely) a very expensive "exhaust."

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

Huh? DUDE... seriously... my 12.4 run was BONE STOCK suspension. The ONLY mod was the catback. My springs and links went on AFTER I got the tune etc. You are trying really hard aren't you?

The suspension mods on my car have helped it ZERO. I have proof in many many slips before and after those mods showing 60ft times. The only thing that helped my 60ft go down is the ET Streets.

S550 would dog the **** out of a 5th gen MOD FOR MOD, and you and the Hiocrew know it. I am willing to prove it, but it seems Hio needs to throw MORE mods on a 5th gen just to keep in the same zip code as me.

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

You have a point there. Stock stall does hold back somewhat but its not so much the stall, as the power. I know guys who have stock stall with nitrous or power adders running 1.5-1.6 60ft times... I believe Kelly Aiken went 1.4s with the oem stall in his TVS S550.



Ha! You mean Phils car with full exhaust long tube headers, xpipe etc? I have already taken out a 429rwhp SS with long tibes, no cats, full exhaust, cai, tune, on radials at the track more than once. And those are geared better for digs than the 1LE. And it wasnt just beat.. I pulled away the whole runs. We left pretty even on our radials.. the gap city. Oh...... and I forgot.. I was on 93 then, and didnt have the skinnies on the front of the car (hadnt ordered them yet)



Yep.. this... I listened to every single youtube s550 exhaust video I could find..over and over again before I settled on my catback. I knew there would be no performance gains.. I HAD to get that quiet assed oem catback off the car.

Originally Posted by CamOnlyJabroni

454 torque huh? More downplay from camp Ford? How about a 800hp 540 hydraulic roller street car? Not mine though. The old man's. Nice car btw

https://youtu.be/xKo_UYT02_8

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

That wasn't phils car tho. You can't compare these guys thst don't know wtf they're doin to us. Trust me.......you would have your hands full.

You 93 and your street wherls you lose without a doubt

Originally Posted by big hammer

Bone stock you were running around 8.4-ish, which is about right. Same as a 5thgen.

Modded you edged a stock 5th gen.

S550 is not fast by any means unless it's very modded, just like most cars. It's a 13.0-12.9 car. Tbh that's like being a 3v these days

Originally Posted by Mike Morris

Phil is down playing his car. He will beat any bro on this thread on pump and stock wheels.