15' FBO Brolander vs. stock A8 16' Goat Gen Camaro
10-25-2016, 09:42 AM
#141
7 Second Club
So he tried to toon it and failed a bit. Toon was still adjusted, even if it was done so in a poor fashion.
10-25-2016, 11:23 AM
#143
10 Second Club
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No matter how islander tries to twist it that don't change that the rev limit wasn't even where we thought it was and timing and fueling was stock.......along with the tm in the tune. What a killer that was.
10-25-2016, 05:02 PM
#145
7 Second Club
10-25-2016, 06:16 PM
#146
Pull that intake manifold off in a few thousand k and look down in that port and tell me if you still feel the same. Lol
10-25-2016, 06:58 PM
#148
Car and Drivers long term SS picked up .2 and 2 mph at something like 10 or 15 k miles when they re tested on the same test track as compared to stock.
Catch cans are supposed to help keep the valves clean. Ill add one of those too. They can be cleaned as well with certain procedures (walnutting or something lol forget the name)
I don't think the two drag pack and tune 5.0s at Milan that I was paddling last night by a half second plus and 3.5 mph plus all night would feel any better if you told them that.
In fact...they wouldn't even look my way. The only cool guy there was in a challenger. Big shocker. he was smoking them too. Was a great night of beating up 5.0s. Reminded me of the ls1 days. Almost brought a tear to my eye
Last edited by UltraZLS1; 10-25-2016 at 07:06 PM.
10-25-2016, 07:13 PM
#149
7 Second Club
10-25-2016, 07:28 PM
#150
Car and Drivers long term SS picked up .2 and 2 mph at something like 10 or 15 k miles when they re tested on the same test track as compared to stock.
Catch cans are supposed to help keep the valves clean. Ill add one of those too. They can be cleaned as well with certain procedures (walnutting or something lol forget the name)
I don't think the two drag pack and tune 5.0s at Milan that I was paddling last night by a half second plus and 3.5 mph plus all night would feel any better if you told them that.
In fact...they wouldn't even look my way. The only cool guy there was in a challenger. Big shocker. he was smoking them too. Was a great night of beating up 5.0s. Reminded me of the ls1 days. Almost brought a tear to my eye
Catch cans are supposed to help keep the valves clean. Ill add one of those too. They can be cleaned as well with certain procedures (walnutting or something lol forget the name)
I don't think the two drag pack and tune 5.0s at Milan that I was paddling last night by a half second plus and 3.5 mph plus all night would feel any better if you told them that.
In fact...they wouldn't even look my way. The only cool guy there was in a challenger. Big shocker. he was smoking them too. Was a great night of beating up 5.0s. Reminded me of the ls1 days. Almost brought a tear to my eye
Idk where the 5.0 bashing came from but good for you. I'm glad you had fun with your car. My car doesn't have either of those mods and has seen more mph.
10-25-2016, 07:32 PM
#151
A catch can will aid not cure. All I'm going to say is my job enables me to see this on almost a daily basis and that there's no replecement for fuel going through the port and over the valves to keep deposits off of them. Keep up with your cleanings! Lol
Idk where the 5.0 bashing came from but good for you. I'm glad you had fun with your car. My car doesn't have either of those mods and has seen more mph.
Idk where the 5.0 bashing came from but good for you. I'm glad you had fun with your car. My car doesn't have either of those mods and has seen more mph.
You randomly add to the conversation by calling my motor a piece of ****...that's where it came from. just giving it back.
10-25-2016, 07:48 PM
#152
First of all, my pb pass I had a headwind too, posted the video here many times. What was the da for this night? Your car is modded much more than mine. Lol
Second, I didn't call your motor a pos. It makes awesome power but it has a pretty serious flaw. If it hurts your feelings I'm sorry. I don't mind the trash talk, I've got thick skin the left field 5.0 track thrashing just through me for a loop. Lol
Second, I didn't call your motor a pos. It makes awesome power but it has a pretty serious flaw. If it hurts your feelings I'm sorry. I don't mind the trash talk, I've got thick skin the left field 5.0 track thrashing just through me for a loop. Lol
10-25-2016, 11:06 PM
#153
First of all, my pb pass I had a headwind too, posted the video here many times. What was the da for this night? Your car is modded much more than mine. Lol
Second, I didn't call your motor a pos. It makes awesome power but it has a pretty serious flaw. If it hurts your feelings I'm sorry. I don't mind the trash talk, I've got thick skin the left field 5.0 track thrashing just through me for a loop. Lol
Second, I didn't call your motor a pos. It makes awesome power but it has a pretty serious flaw. If it hurts your feelings I'm sorry. I don't mind the trash talk, I've got thick skin the left field 5.0 track thrashing just through me for a loop. Lol
Do you like it when people throw random rude comments at you? nope you sure didn't.
and lol at my modded car. The drag pack is nice yes. The cai and tb are mods for the future. they show no gains on a stock 6g. look it up. it runs how a stock 6g runs with a pack and a 250lb driver at Milan dragway. And that's a half second faster and 3.5 mph over a tuned and dragpack coyote who had 15 tries. Not sure how your results matter on a different track and day. you would have been 111-112 that night.
your trap speeds are irrelevant regardless of comparing DA. Tracks run different
10-26-2016, 06:31 AM
#154
It wasn't left field. You came across rude. Its not about hurting feelings its about how its said. Or why even say it at all? I know all about the lt1 I don't need the information but thanks. you said it to bother me so nice job. im not an idiot.
Do you like it when people throw random rude comments at you? nope you sure didn't.
and lol at my modded car. The drag pack is nice yes. The cai and tb are mods for the future. they show no gains on a stock 6g. look it up. it runs how a stock 6g runs with a pack and a 250lb driver at Milan dragway. And that's a half second faster and 3.5 mph over a tuned and dragpack coyote who had 15 tries. Not sure how your results matter on a different track and day. you would have been 111-112 that night.
your trap speeds are irrelevant regardless of comparing DA. Tracks run different
Do you like it when people throw random rude comments at you? nope you sure didn't.
and lol at my modded car. The drag pack is nice yes. The cai and tb are mods for the future. they show no gains on a stock 6g. look it up. it runs how a stock 6g runs with a pack and a 250lb driver at Milan dragway. And that's a half second faster and 3.5 mph over a tuned and dragpack coyote who had 15 tries. Not sure how your results matter on a different track and day. you would have been 111-112 that night.
your trap speeds are irrelevant regardless of comparing DA. Tracks run different
plus the comment I quoted was about the lt-1's superiority.
I feel for you though man. The crusty port/valve thing, well I think it sucks honestly.
I don't want to hear what mod does what. I've seen a couple people here try to explain the same reasoning and get bashed for it. Is it stock? nope. Did you change it? Yes. Drag Pack is the big one, all that awesome traction and rotating weight missing.
10-26-2016, 08:45 AM
#155
TECH Enthusiast
DI gas burners all do the same with miles. PCV oil and other byproducts clog the ports even in a few 10's of thousands of miles.
10-26-2016, 08:49 AM
#156
TECH Enthusiast
catch cans help some, but they dont get everything. those HOT intake valves ARE going to collect vapor as solids. lift the intake manifold in 50k miles and you will see. clean the valves? lol you have to remove them. at 100k they will have measurable build up. all DI gas burners do it. like i mentioned with b heads. the ports will collect solids as well, not just the valves.
10-26-2016, 08:51 AM
#157
TECH Enthusiast
One of the common problems with direct injection engines is their tendency to develop carbon deposits.
Symptom: Misfire codes, stumbling and suspicious fuel trim numbers. On a scan tool, the engine may show a loss in volumetric efficiency. The driver may complain about a loss of power, poor fuel economy and hard starts.
Cause: Carbon deposits on the intake valves. Deposits cause the air to tumble into the combustion chamber, and this turbulence causes the air/fuel mixture to be unevenly distributed. When ignited, the flame front can be erratic, leave unburned fuel and create hot spots in the combustion chamber.
When the early direct-injection engines hit the three-year or 30,000-mile mark, some developed driveablity problems due to carbon buildup on the necks of the intake valves.
In the late ‘90s and early 2000s, TSBs related to carbon deposits on the valves were few and far between. There are three reasons why direct-injection engines are more prone to carbon deposits, one of which is unique to direct injection, while the remaining two are also problems for port fuel injection but are made worse by direct injection.
The main reason is that fuel and added detergents are not hitting the back of the intake valves. By injecting the fuel directly into the cylinder instead of at the back of the valve, the gasoline and detergents can’t clean the valve and port.
Second, leaner mixtures and higher combustion pressures can make the problem worse over time. A direct fuel injection motor produces more energy from a given amount of fuel and air than a port fuel injection engine. Today’s engines operate on a ragged edge between optimal efficiency and a misfire. There is not much room for error, like hot spots in the combustion chamber or a worn spark plug.
10-26-2016, 11:11 AM
#159
I've read all about it.
Didn't say it clean the valves in those procedures. Likely the ports. I wasn't clear which area in my post. I thought I've seen certain additives before and after help clean the valves though. Maybe sea foam. It was noticeable
I will personally clean them by then. Heck I doubt I'll even make 30k miles before doing heads anyway.
Having to clean them every 5 years will not be an issue to me. I'm sure the coyote crowd at Milan is praying for it to be an issue though. Man was it ugly lol. And I'm only going to get faster. That was my first time out with the car and only my second time at the track
Didn't say it clean the valves in those procedures. Likely the ports. I wasn't clear which area in my post. I thought I've seen certain additives before and after help clean the valves though. Maybe sea foam. It was noticeable
I will personally clean them by then. Heck I doubt I'll even make 30k miles before doing heads anyway.
Having to clean them every 5 years will not be an issue to me. I'm sure the coyote crowd at Milan is praying for it to be an issue though. Man was it ugly lol. And I'm only going to get faster. That was my first time out with the car and only my second time at the track
Last edited by UltraZLS1; 10-26-2016 at 11:19 AM.
