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Old 06-29-2017, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by assasinator
comparable modded my ***. the enginemasters made way less power than my exhaust cam only coyote. and way less torque.

either engine masters are incompetent, or they favored the chevy.

it has to be one or the other. how is it that i make more power....dyno proven than a 526hp gt350, and yet engine masters was not able to crack 510hp with both cams? 510hp/396 tq.

hell, i made more torque at the tires then they made at the crank.

is it that they are lost and picked off the shelf worthless comp cams? wrong intake manifold? wrong throttle body?

that comparison was for chevy fanbois to shoot a load all over. nothing more.
Did they use the same dyno for the ls3 and coyotah?
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You're talking about that dumbass engine labs build? Both of those motors were poorly built. I would hardly call that a thorough comparison. It was an NA shootout with a budget and they put forged bottom ends in both. Dumb as ****.

Still waiting on those C85 results btw.
I agree. They coukd easily squeeze another 100hp out of the ls3 but would struggle to with the 5br0. The gap woukd only get larger with better builds for each

Worst part us the 5br0 can't even think about matching up in tq.....but the ls3 can match the 5br0 rpm. Better builds is nothing but a losing proposition for the coyotah
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Did they use the same dyno for the ls3 and coyotah?
Yep. I'm not questioning the dyno, someone else was.

I'm not questioning the ls3 made more power in that config.

In questioning the **** combo for the coyote and their lack of knowledge to make as much power as most fbo cammed coyotes.

they showed how stupid engine labs are by using **** comp cams. THE combo is baby CJ exhaust cams and l&m intake cams.

Every single fbo coyotah with those cams and ported CJ manifold make nearly 500 rwhp.

Nearly being 495-510.

That is with gen1 coyote heads. Ported gen2 heads make another 30-50.

You buy a junkyard gen2 pickup coyote and see the ls3 struggle to make the power. That is a fact.
I don't even like the son of a bitch coyote, but facts are facts. I know for certain max effort gen2 coyote heads flow 370cfm. The results for GEN2 heads are forthcoming from Shaun at AED.

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I would never use Comp Cams on a 4 cam car. Their cams rarely measure out to what they are suppose to be
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
I would never use Comp Cams on a 4 cam car. Their cams rarely measure out to what they are suppose to be
Just curious..why is that? Is that due to the manufacturing process and quality control of Comp Cam?
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Yes it is.
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Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
Just curious..why is that? Is that due to the manufacturing process and quality control of Comp Cam?
Comp cams are 20-30 rwhp short of the cams I mentioned, and are used by everyone. They are a sad, expensive joke
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Originally Posted by assasinator
Comp cams are 20-30 rwhp short of the cams I mentioned, and are used by everyone. They are a sad, expensive joke
Yes they are
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Originally Posted by assasinator
Yep. I'm not questioning the dyno, someone else was.

I'm not questioning the ls3 made more power in that config.

In questioning the **** combo for the coyote and their lack of knowledge to make as much power as most fbo cammed coyotes.

they showed how stupid engine labs are by using **** comp cams. THE combo is baby CJ exhaust cams and l&m intake cams.

Every single fbo coyotah with those cams and ported CJ manifold make nearly 500 rwhp.

Nearly being 495-510.

That is with gen1 coyote heads. Ported gen2 heads make another 30-50.

You buy a junkyard gen2 pickup coyote and see the ls3 struggle to make the power. That is a fact.
I don't even like the son of a bitch coyote, but facts are facts. I know for certain max effort gen2 coyote heads flow 370cfm. The results for GEN2 heads are forthcoming from Shaun at AED.
Fact is the coyote can't make the power the ls3 does w/o spending way more $. The when a 10k budget aint the issue it still can't make the power the ls3 does. Those are the facts.

Fact is you are now trying to compare a max effort coyite to a simple off the shelf ls3. They didn't even need gmpp heads on that ls3 to beat the coyote.
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I've never been beat by a SBE LS car, no matter the mods.

We won't bring up SLB...

Yay GM!
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
I would never use Comp Cams on a 4 cam car. Their cams rarely measure out to what they are suppose to be
I have a cam that comp ground for me. I am going to mic it out tonight. Just curious, I have had there cams before and had no trouble, but then again I never had 2 cams ground the same from 2 different companys
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Originally Posted by islander033
I've never been beat by a SBE LS car, no matter the mods.

We won't bring up SLB...

Yay GM!
I am sure they are out there.
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Originally Posted by 408-99-f
I am sure they are out there.
I can agree to that.

I've just never seen them at my track or in the southern part of northern Mexico.
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Originally Posted by assasinator
Yep. I'm not questioning the dyno, someone else was.

I'm not questioning the ls3 made more power in that config.

In questioning the **** combo for the coyote and their lack of knowledge to make as much power as most fbo cammed coyotes.

they showed how stupid engine labs are by using **** comp cams. THE combo is baby CJ exhaust cams and l&m intake cams.

Every single fbo coyotah with those cams and ported CJ manifold make nearly 500 rwhp.

Nearly being 495-510.

That is with gen1 coyote heads. Ported gen2 heads make another 30-50.

You buy a junkyard gen2 pickup coyote and see the ls3 struggle to make the power. That is a fact.
I don't even like the son of a bitch coyote, but facts are facts. I know for certain max effort gen2 coyote heads flow 370cfm. The results for GEN2 heads are forthcoming from Shaun at AED.
Max effort stock ls3 castings flow 290+

The ls3 build was also Shitty. Using a stock intake and camming it for 6500 rpm is nonsense. But it's a budget build off
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Max effort stock ls3 castings flow 290+
I bet. Those castings are incredible. 200+ cfm is badass. Those re tangular port heads have to be top 5 all time castings. Pocket porting is 365 cfm. I can only imagine the max effort numbers. For the price they are number1 for sure.



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