96 cobra vs 95 trans am
07-07-2017, 10:34 PM
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The sn95 does look good. The early 4th gen fbodies do look incredible with a cowl hood. The engine compartment is terrible. The sn95 can easily hold any engine with space to spare. Chassis parts are cheap and plentiful for the sn95. It's already a 4 link. Etc, etc, etc.
I'm so delusional I only like a 4.6 4v fully modded and boosted.
07-07-2017, 11:22 PM
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Why did my fox 5.0 with free mods never get beat by an LT1 car?
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07-08-2017, 12:33 AM
#85
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Or old beat up cars. Even my buddies ratty old 140k mile LT1 formula performs ok for what it is. I don't think it'd have any issues with an old pushrod Ford 302
07-08-2017, 12:44 AM
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Stock for stock, the LS1 Fbody, the Coyote, and the Mach 1 are all a drivers race.
Funny, I post cold hard facts and you deny them, yet somehow the ford guys are the delusional ones.
07-08-2017, 07:58 AM
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I could see it in perfect conditions. Same perfect conditions i could also see a ls1 fcar goin .3-.4 quicker and +3-4 mph
Like i said
Lol....you're not making one live over 450 for much longer than it took to dyno it.
Even smith went 12.8 in a z28. That's also a typical low mph for a low 13 by comparison to ls stuff. Although to me the mach was a much improved 4v it still lack once moving.
Two things
A properly tuned 96-86 cobro on boost can handle 450-500 rwhp. I mean properly tune. Soft timing and 11:1 AFR.
Are you referencing a termi piston struggling past 450 rwhp? I'm sure you mean the hyperpathetic 96-98 piston. I can guarantee you I can tune a cast hypereutectic piston to live at 16 psi, and do it for years. I did. All of the stock 2v pistons i removed from the first turbo engine looked like new. That is 16 psi of boost and 7000 rpms. Small turbo. He rods are a problem. I used h beams. If I had a forged crank in that engine, I would still be using them now.
A properly tuned 96-86 cobro on boost can handle 450-500 rwhp. I mean properly tune. Soft timing and 11:1 AFR.
Are you referencing a termi piston struggling past 450 rwhp? I'm sure you mean the hyperpathetic 96-98 piston. I can guarantee you I can tune a cast hypereutectic piston to live at 16 psi, and do it for years. I did. All of the stock 2v pistons i removed from the first turbo engine looked like new. That is 16 psi of boost and 7000 rpms. Small turbo. He rods are a problem. I used h beams. If I had a forged crank in that engine, I would still be using them now.
Cruise around in it for a month or so, roast some tires, hit the drag strip once and then sell it.
Evan Smith ran a 13.1@105 with a 2.0 60 foot, then there was a 13.19@106.7.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/car-r...ng-comparison/
So yeah, it's fairly well documented that those cars were capable of 12's under the right conditions.
Evan Smith ran a 13.1@105 with a 2.0 60 foot, then there was a 13.19@106.7.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/car-r...ng-comparison/
So yeah, it's fairly well documented that those cars were capable of 12's under the right conditions.
07-08-2017, 10:32 AM
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I think anything past 8 psi is crazy with stock internals on a 96-98 Cobra
In my experience the LT1 starts to pull the 5.0 HO fox at the top of third. 4th it gets ugly and you need a decent amount of bolt ons. 93 Cobra only needs a timing gun and ditching the air intake silencer to hang with a 342 M6 car to 110. A shame the MAF,HO headers,too tall 308 gears and ecm cripple that car(92 Cobra). It could have been so much better. Hell correct those mistakes and run aluminum GT40s which were out that time and you have a 13.5 103 MPH fox body showroom stock easy.
In my experience the LT1 starts to pull the 5.0 HO fox at the top of third. 4th it gets ugly and you need a decent amount of bolt ons. 93 Cobra only needs a timing gun and ditching the air intake silencer to hang with a 342 M6 car to 110. A shame the MAF,HO headers,too tall 308 gears and ecm cripple that car(92 Cobra). It could have been so much better. Hell correct those mistakes and run aluminum GT40s which were out that time and you have a 13.5 103 MPH fox body showroom stock easy.
07-08-2017, 02:52 PM
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Yeah, but the car that Evan smith drove wasn't approaching 107mph like the second one was. Also don't know the track conditions on that day. If two different cars were almost to 12's, you can't ignore the actual 12 second passes, or say that they weren't legit.
Stock for stock, the LS1 Fbody, the Coyote, and the Mach 1 are all a drivers race.
Funny, I post cold hard facts and you deny them, yet somehow the ford guys are the delusional ones.
Stock for stock, the LS1 Fbody, the Coyote, and the Mach 1 are all a drivers race.
Funny, I post cold hard facts and you deny them, yet somehow the ford guys are the delusional ones.
07-08-2017, 04:56 PM
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I think anything past 8 psi is crazy with stock internals on a 96-98 Cobra
In my experience the LT1 starts to pull the 5.0 HO fox at the top of third. 4th it gets ugly and you need a decent amount of bolt ons. 93 Cobra only needs a timing gun and ditching the air intake silencer to hang with a 342 M6 car to 110. A shame the MAF,HO headers,too tall 308 gears and ecm cripple that car(92 Cobra). It could have been so much better. Hell correct those mistakes and run aluminum GT40s which were out that time and you have a 13.5 103 MPH fox body showroom stock easy.
In my experience the LT1 starts to pull the 5.0 HO fox at the top of third. 4th it gets ugly and you need a decent amount of bolt ons. 93 Cobra only needs a timing gun and ditching the air intake silencer to hang with a 342 M6 car to 110. A shame the MAF,HO headers,too tall 308 gears and ecm cripple that car(92 Cobra). It could have been so much better. Hell correct those mistakes and run aluminum GT40s which were out that time and you have a 13.5 103 MPH fox body showroom stock easy.
It did.....305 > 30p00
07-08-2017, 05:58 PM
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One of my first "real" races in my LT1 was against a 96 cobra my Sr year of high school against a buddy of mine that I CONSTANTLY talked smack back and forth with. He loved to brag about his off the shelf mods like it was some super high tech beast - his car had Edlebrock heads, cam, intake, H-pipe+bullets, gears, manual, DRs, yadayadayada. My 93 LT1 had simple bolt-ons. Pacesetter longtubes to x-pipe to Magnaflow, K&N FIPK, mail order tune, 3200 Fuddle stall, BFG DRs on stock salad shooters, and very few bolt-in UMI suspension parts - LCAs+relos, adjustable TQ arm, rear sway bar. Car ran 12.8s-12.9s at OSW and he claimed mid 12s but I called his bluff.
We finally raced after months of his car "not running right"(even though he drove it to school) and from dig, roll, upside-down, and inside-out I put ******* BUSLENGTHS on him. Not even close, not a drivers race. I laughed till I had tears in my eyes.
Can't claim it was his driving since even from a roll it was an instant pull - not just gaining during shifting. At least it had nicer paint???
Not just that car - I pretty much lived at the track going at least once a month from ~05-09 before getting into other projects and I've seen way more 14+ second 5.0s then I can count.
Sorry, but a 90's anything Mustang doesn't have **** for any LT1 unless its a Cobra R. They can be fast like anything else, but takes a lot more then an LT1 needs to get there. Mod for mod its no contest.
Many years later I hear he has a twin turbo stroker and runs low 9s though, so I guess he gets the last laugh??
07-08-2017, 06:05 PM
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Meh.....not really. He lost when he knew he needed boost to keep up, very common in the furd world. Now the only thing his engine is there for is to attach the boosting device to the transmission.
07-08-2017, 07:56 PM
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07-08-2017, 08:53 PM
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Funny how turds were always over rated in power and fbodys were always underated. My buddys has a 85 gt and it is pretty quick but it has alot done to it i no it has heads cam drag radials and a 100 shot and drag radials his best time is 12.5 wich aint bad considering. Another buddy of mine had a gt fox body not sure on year bone stock i believe and he couldnt get out of 15s both cars stick. Another buddy had a 90 automatic and his car got beat buy a ******* baretta so mid 13s my ******* ***. Ya i went to school with aot of ****** that couldnt have real cars and they were all slow.
07-08-2017, 09:02 PM
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You can't get anything out if it and you're bitter.
I didn't give up on the coyote because there isn't 550rwhp all motor in it, because there is. I gave up because even at that power level with aT56 Magnum XL, the car can't compete with a tuned, Bolton 2017 BMW m4. Any of the 4.4 turbo BMW's with a few mods murder 99 percent of the cars on the road.
Even Porsche gas given up on all motor engines. Even the 2016 Carrera has a turbo now.
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07-09-2017, 11:50 AM
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Considering I'm not trying to run 9s I'm doin alright. How's yours running? 
Wtf kinda dumb **** are you talking now?
I bought the boosted furd because i wanted to see the car a done complete hotrod. If i wanted it to make more power i woukd do what the rest if the furd crowd does when they know their platform is limited. ......i would add boost.
You bought a boosted furd to see what the drug is like.
You can't get anything out if it and you're bitter.
I didn't give up on the coyote because there isn't 550rwhp all motor in it, because there is. I gave up because even at that power level with aT56 Magnum XL, the car can't compete with a tuned, Bolton 2017 BMW m4. Any of the 4.4 turbo BMW's with a few mods murder 99 percent of the cars on the road.
Even Porsche gas given up on all motor engines. Even the 2016 Carrera has a turbo now.
You can't get anything out if it and you're bitter.
I didn't give up on the coyote because there isn't 550rwhp all motor in it, because there is. I gave up because even at that power level with aT56 Magnum XL, the car can't compete with a tuned, Bolton 2017 BMW m4. Any of the 4.4 turbo BMW's with a few mods murder 99 percent of the cars on the road.
Even Porsche gas given up on all motor engines. Even the 2016 Carrera has a turbo now.
I bought the boosted furd because i wanted to see the car a done complete hotrod. If i wanted it to make more power i woukd do what the rest if the furd crowd does when they know their platform is limited. ......i would add boost.