Whipple 3v vs Cam/E85 ZL1
07-24-2018, 11:47 AM
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Belt slip is a thang dude. Not saying they all do it and i didn't mention any brand....but i have seen it.
hell it's likely easier to boost a car than h/c it. You follow directions and install it. But old fcars weren't really boost friendly. Engine compartment is tight on them. The transmissions or rear ends isn't really up to par for the amount of power the old ls1 was capable of making back then. Tuning has come a LONG WAY since the ls1 was introduced to.
it's funny to watch you 5br0s squirm. Your powerplant was only 14yrs behind the old ls. It really ends up being the evolution of the rears and trans to get to how some of this newer stuff is doin.
hell it's likely easier to boost a car than h/c it. You follow directions and install it. But old fcars weren't really boost friendly. Engine compartment is tight on them. The transmissions or rear ends isn't really up to par for the amount of power the old ls1 was capable of making back then. Tuning has come a LONG WAY since the ls1 was introduced to.
it's funny to watch you 5br0s squirm. Your powerplant was only 14yrs behind the old ls. It really ends up being the evolution of the rears and trans to get to how some of this newer stuff is doin.
07-24-2018, 02:45 PM
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My MR2 had belt slip with more boost(roots blower with pulley and tensioner swap from NST which was garbage). Took some time to figure out and swapped to T2 set up.. Mustang with Powerdyne had a little too but after messing with it got rid of it. Had problems with internal belts breaking if I missed a shift or went past 6K. Old LS1 owners might remember those since they were the first ones out with a blower for the 4th gen back in the late 90s. With Vortechs no problems on fox. That car has had so many different blowers on it sigh...
07-27-2018, 11:20 AM
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The added complexity stops alot of people from that. If your a gm guy it's pretty easy to get to 10s na....a furd not so much. Someone like you that just drops their car off at a shop and walks away you probably don't affect much.
Difficulty to work on will stop some to. I've worked on boosted cars. Anything other than a pd blower is a real pita. And even a pd blower is fighting belt slip.
you see you wouldn't know this ****. That's what hapoens when you drop your **** off and don't work on it. Everything works better when it's crisp and new too.
Difficulty to work on will stop some to. I've worked on boosted cars. Anything other than a pd blower is a real pita. And even a pd blower is fighting belt slip.
you see you wouldn't know this ****. That's what hapoens when you drop your **** off and don't work on it. Everything works better when it's crisp and new too.
*yawn*..
07-27-2018, 02:29 PM
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The added complexity stops alot of people from that. If your a gm guy it's pretty easy to get to 10s na....a furd not so much. Someone like you that just drops their car off at a shop and walks away you probably don't affect much.
Difficulty to work on will stop some to. I've worked on boosted cars. Anything other than a pd blower is a real pita. And even a pd blower is fighting belt slip.
you see you wouldn't know this ****. That's what hapoens when you drop your **** off and don't work on it. Everything works better when it's crisp and new too.
Difficulty to work on will stop some to. I've worked on boosted cars. Anything other than a pd blower is a real pita. And even a pd blower is fighting belt slip.
you see you wouldn't know this ****. That's what hapoens when you drop your **** off and don't work on it. Everything works better when it's crisp and new too.
07-28-2018, 06:54 AM
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They can....and easier than you tried to reach the 11s with 3 different cars. Iean lets not forget you never made it past 12.6 na.....12.1 with pullied/tune/i/e/drag pak gt100.
5gen has now been 9.8 sbe na. 4gen been legit 10s bolt on with several people.....not like that one and only mach you yak about. Legit....with several people. Of course i went 10s with a very simple set up.
5gen has now been 9.8 sbe na. 4gen been legit 10s bolt on with several people.....not like that one and only mach you yak about. Legit....with several people. Of course i went 10s with a very simple set up.
07-28-2018, 07:55 AM
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They can....and easier than you tried to reach the 11s with 3 different cars. Iean lets not forget you never made it past 12.6 na.....12.1 with pullied/tune/i/e/drag pak gt100.
5gen has now been 9.8 sbe na. 4gen been legit 10s bolt on with several people.....not like that one and only mach you yak about. Legit....with several people. Of course i went 10s with a very simple set up.
5gen has now been 9.8 sbe na. 4gen been legit 10s bolt on with several people.....not like that one and only mach you yak about. Legit....with several people. Of course i went 10s with a very simple set up.
BTW Mach still has manual bolton record over 4th gens. That car with another 200lbs out and a Th400 would have went well off into the 10s.
07-28-2018, 08:38 AM
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*replacement engine, shift kit in the oe trans. And what are all these 1 off parts? Does that me ettyone that makes a bracket or any number of gadjets on a car has a 1 off car?
i guess all these gutted 5br0s are one off since each one may not have been gutted the same.
Your car is a perfect example. You have made 1 semi legitimate 10sec pass. That 10sec pass took you 15+ years 2 motors, built rear, built trans, 500lbs of weight out, and countless man hours. It's not a question of whether the car 4th/5th/GTO can do it. It is the pretense of how easy you say it is knowing you are wrong.
BTW Mach still has manual bolton record over 4th gens. That car with another 200lbs out and a Th400 would have went well off into the 10s.
BTW Mach still has manual bolton record over 4th gens. That car with another 200lbs out and a Th400 would have went well off into the 10s.
Well since you want to compare auto cars what's the fastest auto bolt on mach? You seem to think autos are faster or you wouldn't make a comment like that. So post it up with a link. My guess is you'll ignore it.
so you want that mach more gutted....and to have a chevy trans in it....strange. it was already lighter than the faster 4gens to boot.
BTW....What did your mach run again?
lots of 10sec h/c 4gens out there. This can't even be debated. More than 1 10sec h/c 5gens out there to. I haven't kept up with gto's but i don't see a problem with them doing it unless you can show me a legit reason they can't.
07-28-2018, 09:30 AM
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2 10s passes.....legit 130mph na bolt on engine. On that day less than 400lb wr and not gutted at all like the junk you constantly bring up. Yes my car is a good example...the combo can be put in place in a few weekends now. No special fuels.....e85 not even needed. Not the only 4gen 10sec ls6 car either.
Well since you want to compare auto cars what's the fastest auto bolt on mach? You seem to think autos are faster or you wouldn't make a comment like that. So post it up with a link. My guess is you'll ignore it.
so you want that mach more gutted....and to have a chevy trans in it....strange. it was already lighter than the faster 4gens to boot.
BTW....What did your mach run again?
lots of 10sec h/c 4gens out there. This can't even be debated. More than 1 10sec h/c 5gens out there to. I haven't kept up with gto's but i don't see a problem with them doing it unless you can show me a legit reason they can't.
Well since you want to compare auto cars what's the fastest auto bolt on mach? You seem to think autos are faster or you wouldn't make a comment like that. So post it up with a link. My guess is you'll ignore it.
so you want that mach more gutted....and to have a chevy trans in it....strange. it was already lighter than the faster 4gens to boot.
BTW....What did your mach run again?
lots of 10sec h/c 4gens out there. This can't even be debated. More than 1 10sec h/c 5gens out there to. I haven't kept up with gto's but i don't see a problem with them doing it unless you can show me a legit reason they can't.
Mach 5spd has been 10.9-11.1 @ 120+ @ 3020. Notice how the fastest one is a th400 car and the other 2 are lighter yet one traps less. Like I said 200lbs and th400 mach is just as quick/fast. Notice how all these cars are considered gutted in your own words since the 3020 mach is gutted lmao. Chevy trans yet you rocking a 9" lmao
# RUQWIKR -------- 10.685 @ 122.91 (1.37), 01 Formula T400, ATI4600, 4.56, 3060, 03/08
# Project_SS ----- 10.866 @ 122.14 (1.45), 98 Camaro SS A4, TCI4400, 3.73, 2840, 03/07
# Magnus --------- 10.987 @ 119.31 (1.42), 97 Firebird A4, YPT4400, 4.10, 2920, 12/04
Yea for every one 10sec n/a 4th gen 50 other combos are going 11.xx-13.xx. Again I never said they can't but you implying it's easy especially for the cars I listed is laughable. Outside the new 6th gen a8 cars Camaros have never went 10s n/a with somewhat ease. Oh and GTOs lmao
07-28-2018, 09:42 AM
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No back pedal.....everything i did is available today if you want to buy it. I made some parrs sure. But you don't have to make them. Basically i adapted lesser parts to save $.....so you can buy better parts fo sho. Some of these parts i have bought to update the car a bit. Just because i make something it doesn't mean there is no alternative......it means i like to make ****.
ex1....i made carbon lids. You can buy other lids.
Ex2...i lightened a oe kmember. You can buy lighter k members......i did.
ex4....i made the duggy box. You can buy a duggy box
ex3....i made my exhaust. You can buy better exhaust. I did.
ex7....i made my clutch set up. I can sell you another one. Or there are multiple similar clutch set ups out there you can buy.
I mean **** yall are stuck on 4yr old times
ex1....i made carbon lids. You can buy other lids.
Ex2...i lightened a oe kmember. You can buy lighter k members......i did.
ex4....i made the duggy box. You can buy a duggy box
ex3....i made my exhaust. You can buy better exhaust. I did.
ex7....i made my clutch set up. I can sell you another one. Or there are multiple similar clutch set ups out there you can buy.
I mean **** yall are stuck on 4yr old times
07-28-2018, 09:53 AM
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Well 400lbs is still alot and I never said it was gutted just pointing out facts. I can put together a 10sec mach combo in one weekend. That does not make it easy. Again no reason to downplay your car. Also your car is not a bolton car and no you do not have 2 legit 10sec passes.
Mach 5spd has been 10.9-11.1 @ 120+ @ 3020. Notice how the fastest one is a th400 car and the other 2 are lighter yet one traps less. Like I said 200lbs and th400 mach is just as quick/fast. Notice how all these cars are considered gutted in your own words since the 3020 mach is gutted lmao. Chevy trans yet you rocking a 9" lmao
# RUQWIKR -------- 10.685 @ 122.91 (1.37), 01 Formula T400, ATI4600, 4.56, 3060, 03/08
# Project_SS ----- 10.866 @ 122.14 (1.45), 98 Camaro SS A4, TCI4400, 3.73, 2840, 03/07
# Magnus --------- 10.987 @ 119.31 (1.42), 97 Firebird A4, YPT4400, 4.10, 2920, 12/04
Yea for every one 10sec n/a 4th gen 50 other combos are going 11.xx-13.xx. Again I never said they can't but you implying it's easy especially for the cars I listed is laughable. Outside the new 6th gen a8 cars Camaros have never went 10s n/a with somewhat ease. Oh and GTOs lmao
Mach 5spd has been 10.9-11.1 @ 120+ @ 3020. Notice how the fastest one is a th400 car and the other 2 are lighter yet one traps less. Like I said 200lbs and th400 mach is just as quick/fast. Notice how all these cars are considered gutted in your own words since the 3020 mach is gutted lmao. Chevy trans yet you rocking a 9" lmao
# RUQWIKR -------- 10.685 @ 122.91 (1.37), 01 Formula T400, ATI4600, 4.56, 3060, 03/08
# Project_SS ----- 10.866 @ 122.14 (1.45), 98 Camaro SS A4, TCI4400, 3.73, 2840, 03/07
# Magnus --------- 10.987 @ 119.31 (1.42), 97 Firebird A4, YPT4400, 4.10, 2920, 12/04
Yea for every one 10sec n/a 4th gen 50 other combos are going 11.xx-13.xx. Again I never said they can't but you implying it's easy especially for the cars I listed is laughable. Outside the new 6th gen a8 cars Camaros have never went 10s n/a with somewhat ease. Oh and GTOs lmao
so no....you're vaulted mach 1 has never been 10s bolt on. Btw.....where is that link ti compare auto to auto? Why don't you like to repeat YOUR OWN RESULTS?
Sure...there's lots of peopke that have no clue. I've seen 12, 13 and 14sec cammed ls1s. What does that tell you? It tells me they fucked up since I've ran a lbo ls1 into the 11s.
i said less than 400lb.....not 400lb. No downplaying it.....no up playing it. My car has a bolt on engine in it. The only thing keeping it from being true bolt on then was its in a fcar. It would be faster in a z06 vette. The vette would be lighter, have a better chassis, better aero. Just that simple.
I'm rocking a fabricated rear end. I could very well be running 12bolt internals in it. You do not know. But i will say there are 0 furd parts in it.
Again...to keep the comparison fair what is the fastest bolt on auto mach1. They are free to use a c6 trans if they want.
07-28-2018, 10:13 AM
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You're lying about the 3020.....you're also eat up with the fact the 10.9 mach run the timers was eff'd on. The owner dude even said the slip didn't add up.
so no....you're vaulted mach 1 has never been 10s bolt on. Btw.....where is that link ti compare auto to auto? Why don't you like to repeat YOUR OWN RESULTS?
Sure...there's lots of peopke that have no clue. I've seen 12, 13 and 14sec cammed ls1s. What does that tell you? It tells me they fucked up since I've ran a lbo ls1 into the 11s.
i said less than 400lb.....not 400lb. No downplaying it.....no up playing it. My car has a bolt on engine in it. The only thing keeping it from being true bolt on then was its in a fcar. It would be faster in a z06 vette. The vette would be lighter, have a better chassis, better aero. Just that simple.
I'm rocking a fabricated rear end. I could very well be running 12bolt internals in it. You do not know. But i will say there are 0 furd parts in it.
Again...to keep the comparison fair what is the fastest bolt on auto mach1. They are free to use a c6 trans if they want.
so no....you're vaulted mach 1 has never been 10s bolt on. Btw.....where is that link ti compare auto to auto? Why don't you like to repeat YOUR OWN RESULTS?
Sure...there's lots of peopke that have no clue. I've seen 12, 13 and 14sec cammed ls1s. What does that tell you? It tells me they fucked up since I've ran a lbo ls1 into the 11s.
i said less than 400lb.....not 400lb. No downplaying it.....no up playing it. My car has a bolt on engine in it. The only thing keeping it from being true bolt on then was its in a fcar. It would be faster in a z06 vette. The vette would be lighter, have a better chassis, better aero. Just that simple.
I'm rocking a fabricated rear end. I could very well be running 12bolt internals in it. You do not know. But i will say there are 0 furd parts in it.
Again...to keep the comparison fair what is the fastest bolt on auto mach1. They are free to use a c6 trans if they want.
Yea pot meet kettle with fkd timers.
None of the mach auto combos got sub 3200 r/w like the ls1. Just like no 6spd ls1 has been as fast as Angus66.
We all know your car is ~3000lbs but sure downplay it some more. So ls6 swap with internal mods fact. Yea and I would be way faster in a 2600lb fox body who fkn cares.
You are getting owned badly.
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07-28-2018, 10:21 AM
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Wrong Mach was a 3020. Hell it went 120 @ 3130 here is link https://www.modularfords.com/threads...(s)?highlight=
Yea pot meet kettle with fkd timers.
None of the mach auto combos got sub 3200 r/w like the ls1. Just like no 6spd ls1 has been as fast as Angus66.
We all know your car is ~3000lbs but sure downplay it some more. So ls6 swap with internal mods fact. Yea and I would be way faster in a 2600lb fox body who fkn cares.
You are getting owned badly.
Yea pot meet kettle with fkd timers.
None of the mach auto combos got sub 3200 r/w like the ls1. Just like no 6spd ls1 has been as fast as Angus66.
We all know your car is ~3000lbs but sure downplay it some more. So ls6 swap with internal mods fact. Yea and I would be way faster in a 2600lb fox body who fkn cares.
You are getting owned badly.
so a fbo gutted mach at the fastest track in the country can only trap 120 and is slower than bolt on ls1s. That is what we have learned here. And that you won't even post bolt on automatic mach times
.my car was 3250 with me in it that day. Including all muh dd junk. Yes the ls6 was bolt ons.
chevy guys have always mostly been auto guys. Nothing new there. If the auto was faster like erryone thinks then auto machs would be faster than the mach you keep posting with a stick. But it's not....it's just easier. If a auto was faster you would likely see the top coyote stock cars using a auto......but the autos aren't competitive so it seems.
So kerp dreaming about that glory gutted stick car mach 1 when your auto mach 1 never made it past 12.6 spraying.
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you are getting owned badly. When you refuse to post your own bolt on results it speaks volumes about the ownage i have over you.
so a fbo gutted mach at the fastest track in the country can only trap 120 and is slower than bolt on ls1s. That is what we have learned here. And that you won't even post bolt on automatic mach times.
my car was 3250 with me in it that day. Including all muh dd junk. Yes the ls6 was bolt ons.
chevy guys have always mostly been auto guys. Nothing new there. If the auto was faster like erryone thinks then auto machs would be faster than the mach you keep posting with a stick. But it's not....it's just easier. If a auto was faster you would likely see the top coyote stock cars using a auto......but the autos aren't competitive so it seems.
So kerp dreaming about that glory gutted stick car mach 1 when your auto mach 1 never made it past 12.6 spraying.
so a fbo gutted mach at the fastest track in the country can only trap 120 and is slower than bolt on ls1s. That is what we have learned here. And that you won't even post bolt on automatic mach times
.my car was 3250 with me in it that day. Including all muh dd junk. Yes the ls6 was bolt ons.
chevy guys have always mostly been auto guys. Nothing new there. If the auto was faster like erryone thinks then auto machs would be faster than the mach you keep posting with a stick. But it's not....it's just easier. If a auto was faster you would likely see the top coyote stock cars using a auto......but the autos aren't competitive so it seems.
So kerp dreaming about that glory gutted stick car mach 1 when your auto mach 1 never made it past 12.6 spraying.
