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You guys call me out in posting ringers and you post this as the standard for a slew of 8 sec N/A LS3’s? I’ll stop there -
You are correct it has chain and sprocket upgrades and I was following on Instagram and would not agree its stock - though the chains will not affect et or trap they would only help it (maybe) not explode like the 8.9 LS3 did
Honest question for data and comparison sake
I’m thinking of trading my 18 In on any 16-19 SS.
You guys know all the Camaros out there setting records.
Midnights 18 stock motor and stock trans turbo car runs 8.64 @ 164 the last time I even followed it. I didn’t even look for anything recent or faster.
Would one of you fine gents please post a link to the faster 6gen Camaro with a stock motor and stock trans?
Due to piston and fuel issues with LT1 and mods, even if it has a piston swap since Ultra says it’s nothing to do that just post it. I could be wrong, maybe the top turbo stock motor coyotes are getting beat by stock motor turbo Camaros?
Just compare apples to apples and let’s see where this leads for comparison sake.
** Don’t post a ZL1 blowing a trans
The na 8sec ls3 blew up because of a issue in the burnout box i think it was. Somehow they severely over revved it causing it to let go. Other than that it had hundreds if passes/dynos on it.
Ls or lt engines can do what ever that coyotah does slb/bolt ons or better. Idk why every gm mf'r in the world thinks they need to shove a cam in them or port the heads. So much more to making a car accelerate than that.
Just like the zr1.....9.6@147 nearly stock. Guarantee there will be some dumb asses out there h/c them and not leave the 10s.
Would one of you fine gents please post a link to the faster 6gen Camaro with a stock motor and stock trans?
Due to piston and fuel issues with LT1 and mods, even if it has a piston swap since Ultra says it’s nothing to do that just post it. I could be wrong, maybe the top turbo stock motor coyotes are getting beat by stock motor turbo Camaros?
Impressive in some ways I agree since I really love N/A with my old LS7 but the only car in your mention (8’s) is in no way a car you could daily drive like you could a TT Coyote honestly
Everyone is impressed by different things. I’m impressed these days with a car that idles like stock and you never lifted a valve cover and on 93 octane fuel it’ll turn a 140 plus trap then turn it up (boost) on race fuel and trap over 150 still untouched valve covers..
With a family it boils down to Camaro, Challenger or Mustang.
Everyone here should know to get a 6gen to trap 140plus F/I it’ll need a rotating assembly or piston rod set at least and pull the engine then heads and cam and then the blower.
Its all possible
You can also trap 150 in a Hellcat pretty easy as well - to each their own I guess
** I guess for this argument would you prefer your race car to run 8s or rather have your street car run 8s?
Brett took a customers P1x SLB 6th gen with headers, meth, converter, drag pack 10.0 @ 139 full weight and it was hitting the limiter on the shift points so paddle shifter was used...was the first three passes on the combo and Never got it back to the track with the trans tune dialed before customer changed the combo. DA was around 1000. It would of cracked 140 easy...
Magnuson Camaro went 140 SLB.
Laynlo went 138 SLB with stock exhaust down to the cats.
RobB just went 136 in 3700 DA SLB.
I would say 140 is doable. 145+ full weight needs Cam/pistons...heads are not needed.
Brett took a customers P1x SLB 6th gen with headers, meth, converter, drag pack 10.0 @ 139 full weight and it was hitting the limiter on the shift points so paddle shifter was used...was the first three passes on the combo and Never got it back to the track with the trans tune dialed before customer changed the combo. DA was around 1000. It would of cracked 140 easy...
Magnuson Camaro went 140 SLB.
Laynlo went 138 SLB with stock exhaust down to the cats.
RobB just went 136 in 3700 DA SLB.
I would say 140 is doable. 145+ full weight needs Cam/pistons...heads are not needed.
Parish8 went 115 in the eighth iirc. Not sure if he ever ran the 1/4 with stock motor and trans.
I was actually just trying to do what I could to end the argument but it’s never going to end
As long as there is a Mustang and a Camaro i
I was being facetious but really wanted to see a 6th gen, any 6th gen in the 8s the damn things been out since late 15. How many 8 sec 18-19 Mustangs are already out
I’ll refrain from bringing it up as much as you guys but honestly do we have an 8 sec LT Camaro roaming the streets that has a stock engine and trans? I’m guessing we don’t and if so the answer is clear
Someone answer that and we’ll find something else to argue about
Ultra a piston swap is a big deal especially with some of the check book racers in here and people with no room or garage. It is a lot of work to do.
Exactly
As you guys get older (44) and you have a mortgage, family, savings, insurance, retirement etc - the car money starts to disappear
Then you start looking for the most efficient way to get to (8 sec car simply a mental goal) and some boost with the right setup you’ll spend less not having to throw away perfectly good **** that you just bought if I had an LT, I considered it
The n/a thing was cool years ago and still impressive to an extent but setting n/a goals when all other cars boosted would wipe the floor with your efforts makes me loose sleep throwing money at something and seeing tail lights
Underground Racing is not know for their N/A packages
Nobody’s end game is n/a anymore - even the manufactures are forcing air into every flagship car they sell - for the most part
If you guys were really honest with yourselves the N/A thing is an LT excuse not to sink another $7-9k into a blower, pistons and fuel - I thought hard on that too
You guys settle for possible 9s at 13x and that’s it - it cost so much beyond that to move any faster in a 6th gen Camaro.
True but my point is he's actually honest about it and post pics of the trim he runs unlike say the steeda car who post pics of a full interior car and passes it off like that's the trim they run in (full interior car). Just saying......
Are you talking about the silver bullet car? It's got a rear seat delete and Corbeau front seats. What else did they take out of the interior for the track?
The only issue i see is furd guys like to stip slb......atleast till it no longer works for them. Fact is there hasn't been a mustang built as fast as a camaro since 2015. Crazy how that's a fact eehh.
Now with the slb stip comes well......h/c don't really do much for a 5br0. Not like it does lt or ls stuff which absolutely waxes the 5br0 *** on anything beyond slb. Now if course this all comes down to particular combos. But if both are 100% right and sorted the 5br0 stands no chance there. Now add 15lb of boost to that.......the gap get wider.
Now....i have layed out how to make a slb camaro run 8s and avoid or atleast reduce the ring butting issue. But most gm guys has to do h/c or cam only......because because.
Realistically gm has had engines out since 02 that is capable of making enough power slb with boost to run 8s. The biggest advancements really are in the transmission and ability to control everything via the pcm.
Now....i will await jayplay to run 8s along with the various other boosted 5br0s on here that has failed to run 8s or even 9s so far.
Last edited by HioSSilver; 06-30-2019 at 11:29 AM.
Brett took a customers P1x SLB 6th gen with headers, meth, converter, drag pack 10.0 @ 139 full weight and it was hitting the limiter on the shift points so paddle shifter was used...was the first three passes on the combo and Never got it back to the track with the trans tune dialed before customer changed the combo. DA was around 1000. It would of cracked 140 easy...
Magnuson Camaro went 140 SLB.
Laynlo went 138 SLB with stock exhaust down to the cats.
RobB just went 136 in 3700 DA SLB.
I would say 140 is doable. 145+ full weight needs Cam/pistons...heads are not needed.
This is why it’s smarter to stay N/A in the LT and most guys do so
13x can be attained with H/C/MSD/E85
Beyond this so much has to change to really see any improvements
The only issue i see is furd guys like to stip slb......atleast till it no longer works for them. Fact is there hasn't been a mustang built as fast as a camaro since 2015. Crazy how that's a fact eehh.
Now with the slb stip comes well......h/c don't really do much for a 5br0. Not like it does lt or ls stuff which absolutely waxes the 5br0 *** on anything beyond slb. Now if course this all comes down to particular combos. But if both are 100% right and sorted the 5br0 stands no chance there. Now add 15lb of boost to that.......the gap get wider.
Now....i have layed out how to make a slb camaro run 8s and avoid or atleast reduce the ring butting issue. But most gm guys has to do h/c or cam only......because because.
Realistically gm has had engines out since 02 that is capable of making enough power slb with boost to run 8s. The biggest advancements really are in the transmission and ability to control everything via the pcm.
Now....i will await jayplay to run 8s along with the various other boosted 5br0s on here that has failed to run 8s or even 9s so far.
Please let me know of this Camaro from 2015 that Mustangs aren’t able to beat, I’m obviously missing this one
Also you can’t be saying that on a GM site that since we don’t have a Ford fan with a coyote that runs 8’s that it still does not happen? Please don’t say your limiting the potential of these combos to what the forum guys drive?
If if I asked anyone to post a 150plus trap speed on their personal car (forum guys only) I wonder how many there be at all?
Year for year the Camaro has dominated the mustang. 2015 zl1, for that matter the 1le 2015 5gen beat the 5br0 in a head to head .2016 6gen, then more zl1 pooping all over the mustang. Btw....since a camaro has been on your plate about making power furd hasn't made a engine capable of holding the power a lt4 makes yet.....even slb
Year for year the Camaro has dominated the mustang. 2015 zl1, for that matter the 1le 2015 5gen beat the 5br0 in a head to head .2016 6gen, then more zl1 pooping all over the mustang. Btw....since a camaro has been on your plate about making power furd hasn't made a engine capable of holding the power a lt4 makes yet.....even slb
Car and Driver, I understand now. That’s what I was thinking just needed you to point it out.
06-30-2019, 07:19 AM
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