Lt-1 Vs. Ls-what?
12-06-2005, 11:48 PM
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Im curious, what vehicles continued to use the lt1 after 97? When did the trucks switch to the lsx engine?
Also, wasnt the origional lt1 and optional corvette engine? Something like a 350ci with 335hp?
Also, wasnt the origional lt1 and optional corvette engine? Something like a 350ci with 335hp?
12-07-2005, 12:17 AM
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damn this thread is old isn't it well since i wasn't on the site almost a year ago to witness it i will just have to add my .02 right now sorry guys, i hope i dont start another lt1 vs ls1 flame war because they are both great motors to bless f-body owners
his story is kind of fishy but not totally unbelieveable in my oppinion because i have had the same experiences with some ls1's
two of them definitely come to mind one was a 98 T/A with the cats hacked out of it A4 CAI 2.73 rear and from a 10 mph roll i hooked slightly better and kept a half a car on him til about 60-70 where he put about a car on me and then to my amazement once he hit 3rd gear i started pulling past him again and we let off at about 110-120 with me about a car ahead of him
another ls1 i raced was my buddies 00 Z28 A4 3.23 rear end with a fresh motor (7000 miles) with an slp lid and that was it, we went from a dead stop he got a jump on me being as how it was an auto and i kept within a car length of him all the way to about 110-120 again where we let off
my car is a 94 Z28 M6 3.42 rear end with hooker catback, slp intake, dynatech distributor (not that it adds anything) msd wires and that it, at the time of the races it had about 65000 miles on it when i had it on the dyno at about 70,000 miles it put down almost 271 hp and 314.4 ft/lbs of torque and the torque curve went over 300 ft/lbs right when i floored it at 2000 rpm and sustained it all the way to 4500 rpm
you can take a look at my printout at the link at the bottom of my sig
this is just from my experience i realize 270 at the wheels is definitely not typical for a basically stock lt1 but is definitely possible
his story is kind of fishy but not totally unbelieveable in my oppinion because i have had the same experiences with some ls1's
two of them definitely come to mind one was a 98 T/A with the cats hacked out of it A4 CAI 2.73 rear and from a 10 mph roll i hooked slightly better and kept a half a car on him til about 60-70 where he put about a car on me and then to my amazement once he hit 3rd gear i started pulling past him again and we let off at about 110-120 with me about a car ahead of him
another ls1 i raced was my buddies 00 Z28 A4 3.23 rear end with a fresh motor (7000 miles) with an slp lid and that was it, we went from a dead stop he got a jump on me being as how it was an auto and i kept within a car length of him all the way to about 110-120 again where we let off
my car is a 94 Z28 M6 3.42 rear end with hooker catback, slp intake, dynatech distributor (not that it adds anything) msd wires and that it, at the time of the races it had about 65000 miles on it when i had it on the dyno at about 70,000 miles it put down almost 271 hp and 314.4 ft/lbs of torque and the torque curve went over 300 ft/lbs right when i floored it at 2000 rpm and sustained it all the way to 4500 rpm
you can take a look at my printout at the link at the bottom of my sig
this is just from my experience i realize 270 at the wheels is definitely not typical for a basically stock lt1 but is definitely possible
12-07-2005, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Car RamRod
Im curious, what vehicles continued to use the lt1 after 97? When did the trucks switch to the lsx engine?
Also, wasnt the origional lt1 and optional corvette engine? Something like a 350ci with 335hp?
Also, wasnt the origional lt1 and optional corvette engine? Something like a 350ci with 335hp?
The LT1 was in service for a long time ... just about the same length as the LS1 .... and in many different model cars. Y-Bods (Corvette), B/D Bods (Caprice, Impala SS), F-Bods (Firebird/Camaro), etc ... all had the LT1 available (or standard). A few trucks also used different variants of the LT1.
The original LT1 in the '92 vette was 300 hp. The option you're thinking of is the LT4, which was offered in '96 if memory serves me ... it used better heads, more cam timing, roller rockers and sequential fuel injection to make 330 hp. There was also the "Baby LT1," the 265 cid version that was the standard engine in the Caprice from 1994-‘96.
12-07-2005, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 1994Z28Lt1
damn this thread is old isn't it well since i wasn't on the site almost a year ago to witness it i will just have to add my .02 right now sorry guys, i hope i dont start another lt1 vs ls1 flame war because they are both great motors to bless f-body owners
his story is kind of fishy but not totally unbelieveable in my oppinion because i have had the same experiences with some ls1's
two of them definitely come to mind one was a 98 T/A with the cats hacked out of it A4 CAI 2.73 rear and from a 10 mph roll i hooked slightly better and kept a half a car on him til about 60-70 where he put about a car on me and then to my amazement once he hit 3rd gear i started pulling past him again and we let off at about 110-120 with me about a car ahead of him
another ls1 i raced was my buddies 00 Z28 A4 3.23 rear end with a fresh motor (7000 miles) with an slp lid and that was it, we went from a dead stop he got a jump on me being as how it was an auto and i kept within a car length of him all the way to about 110-120 again where we let off
my car is a 94 Z28 M6 3.42 rear end with hooker catback, slp intake, dynatech distributor (not that it adds anything) msd wires and that it, at the time of the races it had about 65000 miles on it when i had it on the dyno at about 70,000 miles it put down almost 271 hp and 314.4 ft/lbs of torque and the torque curve went over 300 ft/lbs right when i floored it at 2000 rpm and sustained it all the way to 4500 rpm
you can take a look at my printout at the link at the bottom of my sig
this is just from my experience i realize 270 at the wheels is definitely not typical for a basically stock lt1 but is definitely possible
his story is kind of fishy but not totally unbelieveable in my oppinion because i have had the same experiences with some ls1's
two of them definitely come to mind one was a 98 T/A with the cats hacked out of it A4 CAI 2.73 rear and from a 10 mph roll i hooked slightly better and kept a half a car on him til about 60-70 where he put about a car on me and then to my amazement once he hit 3rd gear i started pulling past him again and we let off at about 110-120 with me about a car ahead of him
another ls1 i raced was my buddies 00 Z28 A4 3.23 rear end with a fresh motor (7000 miles) with an slp lid and that was it, we went from a dead stop he got a jump on me being as how it was an auto and i kept within a car length of him all the way to about 110-120 again where we let off
my car is a 94 Z28 M6 3.42 rear end with hooker catback, slp intake, dynatech distributor (not that it adds anything) msd wires and that it, at the time of the races it had about 65000 miles on it when i had it on the dyno at about 70,000 miles it put down almost 271 hp and 314.4 ft/lbs of torque and the torque curve went over 300 ft/lbs right when i floored it at 2000 rpm and sustained it all the way to 4500 rpm
you can take a look at my printout at the link at the bottom of my sig
this is just from my experience i realize 270 at the wheels is definitely not typical for a basically stock lt1 but is definitely possible
12-07-2005, 02:10 AM
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i know those results aren't normal i even stated that. i am not trying to argue the typical lt1 stock for stock is equivalent to the ls1 i am not that ignorant.
i was just stating some of my experiences with my car (which isn't typical) compared to some ls1 cars i have encountered. a good running lt1 such as the one i have, can run neck and neck with a mediocre running ls1 especially on street tires, driver experience/skill, and running on the street in general which is a heck of a lot different than running at the track
lets look at some numbers, my car puts down 270.9 hp and 314.4 ft/lbs of tq which is definitely a strong running nearly stock lt1 when compared to a mediocre running ls1 in the 280-290 hp range its really not that unbelievable that i can run with them and beat a select few
i was just stating some of my experiences with my car (which isn't typical) compared to some ls1 cars i have encountered. a good running lt1 such as the one i have, can run neck and neck with a mediocre running ls1 especially on street tires, driver experience/skill, and running on the street in general which is a heck of a lot different than running at the track
lets look at some numbers, my car puts down 270.9 hp and 314.4 ft/lbs of tq which is definitely a strong running nearly stock lt1 when compared to a mediocre running ls1 in the 280-290 hp range its really not that unbelievable that i can run with them and beat a select few
12-07-2005, 02:33 AM
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I agree with you. A weak LS1 should still pull the win, but if you drive well and the other guy doesn't, I could see you winning. I beat LS1's every once in awhile in my 4.6 GT, but it wasn't because I had the faster car. I drove well and/or got lucky, and they spun too much and didn't drive well, etc. Anything "can" happen.
12-07-2005, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by xphantomws6x
The original LT1 in the '92 vette was 300 hp. The option you're thinking of is the LT4, which was offered in '96 if memory serves me ... it used better heads, more cam timing, roller rockers and sequential fuel injection to make 330 hp. There was also the "Baby LT1," the 265 cid version that was the standard engine in the Caprice from 1994-‘96.
I knew that the lt1 had been used for several years, but when did its life officially end?
12-08-2005, 01:55 AM
#190
Originally Posted by Car RamRod
I meant the origional lt1 as in the 1960s era engine.
I knew that the lt1 had been used for several years, but when did its life officially end?
I knew that the lt1 had been used for several years, but when did its life officially end?
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12-09-2005, 07:17 PM
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All I have to say is all you LS1 humpers are gay. I have owned both and yes the LS1 is faster but any thing can happen on the street. I beat LS1's all the time with my bolt on LT1. Should they beat me sure but things happen on the street. Oh and not all LS1's run low 13's, my friends 02 A4 Z28 ran a 9.0 @ 80 with a 2.1 60ft with a K&n and a cut out and my 96 A4 TA ran a 8.9@ 80 on a 2.0 60 ft. with a K&N and a cut out. The 01 A4 SS I had ran a 8.7@ 85 on a 2.1 60ft. They don't all run the same. You guys are the reason why I don't buy another LS1 I don't want to become a *** that thinks I drive the fastest car out there. Oh and yes I can afford one. I don't car how fast a car is at the track what it does on the street is a whole different game. Hell I got beat by a Neon in my 01 SS. As for dyno #'s not all LS1's put down 320rwhp.
12-09-2005, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BeaversTA
All I have to say is all you LS1 humpers are gay. I have owned both and yes the LS1 is faster but any thing can happen on the street. I beat LS1's all the time with my bolt on LT1. Should they beat me sure but things happen on the street. Oh and not all LS1's run low 13's, my friends 02 A4 Z28 ran a 9.0 @ 80 with a 2.1 60ft with a K&n and a cut out and my 96 A4 TA ran a 8.9@ 80 on a 2.0 60 ft. with a K&N and a cut out. The 01 A4 SS I had ran a 8.7@ 85 on a 2.1 60ft. They don't all run the same. You guys are the reason why I don't buy another LS1 I don't want to become a *** that thinks I drive the fastest car out there. Oh and yes I can afford one. I don't car how fast a car is at the track what it does on the street is a whole different game. Hell I got beat by a Neon in my 01 SS. As for dyno #'s not all LS1's put down 320rwhp.
12-09-2005, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by xphantomws6x
LT1 and LT-1 are completely different motors. So now which engine are you talking about in your above statement? That little dash (or lack of) does actually completely change the engine you're talking about.
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Also, wasnt the origional lt1 an optional corvette engine? Something like a 350ci with 335hp?
When I asked about the service years of the lt1 however, I meant the recent engine found in the c4 corvette, 93-97 fbody's, etc. I know very well the differences between the 1990's era lt1, and the traditional sbc, Im just wondering about when the lt1 was officially dropped from the chevy lineup.
12-10-2005, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BeaversTA
All I have to say is all you LS1 humpers are gay. I have owned both and yes the LS1 is faster but any thing can happen on the street. I beat LS1's all the time with my bolt on LT1. Should they beat me sure but things happen on the street. Oh and not all LS1's run low 13's, my friends 02 A4 Z28 ran a 9.0 @ 80 with a 2.1 60ft with a K&n and a cut out and my 96 A4 TA ran a 8.9@ 80 on a 2.0 60 ft. with a K&N and a cut out. The 01 A4 SS I had ran a 8.7@ 85 on a 2.1 60ft. They don't all run the same. You guys are the reason why I don't buy another LS1 I don't want to become a *** that thinks I drive the fastest car out there. Oh and yes I can afford one. I don't car how fast a car is at the track what it does on the street is a whole different game. Hell I got beat by a Neon in my 01 SS. As for dyno #'s not all LS1's put down 320rwhp.
What if you have a 2002 M6 LS1 that was built on a Wednesday and driven by Evan Smith racing a 95 A4 with 2.73's and was built on a Monday? Well then you have close to a 2 second massacre on your hands. The LT1 guys never seem to want to talk about that potential match up. I wonder why?
But what if we were fair? Same transmissions, gears and driver skills. In most cases the LS1 is a mid 13 second car and the LT1 is a 14 second car. The LS1 is a solid half a second faster. Even a full second is often considered the higher end of "normal" in respects to stock vs stock.
It's nothing personal. It's just how it is. People like jaredwayt can't handle this and make up stories to try and make themselves feel better. But what he doesn't get is that you can admit other cars are faster and still feel good about what you drive. I know 03/04 Cobras, LS6's and LS7's all have my number. But I don't care. My little old LS1 is suiting me just fine.
12-10-2005, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BeaversTA
All I have to say is all you LS1 humpers are gay. I have owned both and yes the LS1 is faster but any thing can happen on the street. (Rest is garbage)....
Hey ... so what exactly is it that you're arguing with us "LS1 humpers" about? You agreed that the LS1 is faster, which is what everyone has been saying? We stated facts, we become "LS1 humpers" ... you stated the same fact, does that make you one too?
Hey, NEWS FLASH!!! A Z06 vette is faster than a GT Stang .... I must be an "LS6 Humper."
12-10-2005, 08:56 PM
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Gay LS1 humpers,
Apparently owning a LS1 also in pears your reading comprehension. Know one is arguing that LS1's are not faster except for you guys. It’s a fact 99 percent of the time we all know it. You guys keep skipping the fact that any thing can happen on the street. So yes his story could be true. Is it what happens 98 percent of the time? NO, but it could happen. Why can't yall accept this? It’s not that hard. I have beaten them at the track and on the street. Should I? NO, but **** happens. Deal with it!
darrensls1,
You just when't against every thing you guys have been saying when you said "But what is you take a M6 LT1 that was built on a Wednesday and driven by Evan Smith and race a 98 A4 ls1 with 2.73's and was built on a Monday? Well then you have a race that the LT1 can win. But guess what lies at the other end of that spectrum?"
So you now state that it could happen. What are you arguing about?
xphantomws6x,
I'm not arguing. I clearly stated that not all LS1's are a Half a second faster than every LT1. I even gave examples to prove my point. I then stated that any thing can happen on the street. This is when you become a LS1 humper and chose to ignore this fact. That's what keeps me from becoming a humper.
Apparently owning a LS1 also in pears your reading comprehension. Know one is arguing that LS1's are not faster except for you guys. It’s a fact 99 percent of the time we all know it. You guys keep skipping the fact that any thing can happen on the street. So yes his story could be true. Is it what happens 98 percent of the time? NO, but it could happen. Why can't yall accept this? It’s not that hard. I have beaten them at the track and on the street. Should I? NO, but **** happens. Deal with it!
darrensls1,
You just when't against every thing you guys have been saying when you said "But what is you take a M6 LT1 that was built on a Wednesday and driven by Evan Smith and race a 98 A4 ls1 with 2.73's and was built on a Monday? Well then you have a race that the LT1 can win. But guess what lies at the other end of that spectrum?"
So you now state that it could happen. What are you arguing about?
xphantomws6x,
I'm not arguing. I clearly stated that not all LS1's are a Half a second faster than every LT1. I even gave examples to prove my point. I then stated that any thing can happen on the street. This is when you become a LS1 humper and chose to ignore this fact. That's what keeps me from becoming a humper.
12-10-2005, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BeaversTA
Gay LS1 humpers,
Apparently owning a LS1 also in pears your reading comprehension. Know one is arguing that LS1's are not faster except for you guys. It’s a fact 99 percent of the time we all know it. You guys keep skipping the fact that any thing can happen on the street. So yes his story could be true. Is it what happens 98 percent of the time? NO, but it could happen. Why can't yall accept this? It’s not that hard. I have beaten them at the track and on the street. Should I? NO, but **** happens. Deal with it!
darrensls1,
You just when't against every thing you guys have been saying when you said "But what is you take a M6 LT1 that was built on a Wednesday and driven by Evan Smith and race a 98 A4 ls1 with 2.73's and was built on a Monday? Well then you have a race that the LT1 can win. But guess what lies at the other end of that spectrum?"
So you now state that it could happen. What are you arguing about?
xphantomws6x,
I'm not arguing. I clearly stated that not all LS1's are a Half a second faster than every LT1. I even gave examples to prove my point. I then stated that any thing can happen on the street. This is when you become a LS1 humper and chose to ignore this fact. That's what keeps me from becoming a humper.
Apparently owning a LS1 also in pears your reading comprehension. Know one is arguing that LS1's are not faster except for you guys. It’s a fact 99 percent of the time we all know it. You guys keep skipping the fact that any thing can happen on the street. So yes his story could be true. Is it what happens 98 percent of the time? NO, but it could happen. Why can't yall accept this? It’s not that hard. I have beaten them at the track and on the street. Should I? NO, but **** happens. Deal with it!
darrensls1,
You just when't against every thing you guys have been saying when you said "But what is you take a M6 LT1 that was built on a Wednesday and driven by Evan Smith and race a 98 A4 ls1 with 2.73's and was built on a Monday? Well then you have a race that the LT1 can win. But guess what lies at the other end of that spectrum?"
So you now state that it could happen. What are you arguing about?
xphantomws6x,
I'm not arguing. I clearly stated that not all LS1's are a Half a second faster than every LT1. I even gave examples to prove my point. I then stated that any thing can happen on the street. This is when you become a LS1 humper and chose to ignore this fact. That's what keeps me from becoming a humper.
jk dude. I think the point is that under certain conditions an LT1 can beat an LS1, but on the street it is a very low probability.
