Lt-1 Vs. Ls-what?
03-11-2005, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jaredwayt
enough said, my car will do 13.3's-4's all day long, ls1 auto with a lid and exhaust might do 1 13.5 on its best day.regardless from a roll or not i beat him, and trust me its not the 1st or last ls1 that went down.
This goes to show what you know. My A4 Formula was pulling 13.4 all day long with just a lid. Before I even did the headers or catback. That was only 290rwhp (it was not a dyno queen)
03-11-2005, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by xphantomws6x
Of course not .... He just claims **** without actually doing it.
****, I run 8's, I just haven't done it yet.
****, I run 8's, I just haven't done it yet.
Hey Phantom, I just got a call from the shop that my car dynoed 468rwhp with the new setup (full bolt-on swap out). I'm the first one to call BS on this until I see the dyno sheet, and then take my car to another dyno for another set of pulls. But, needless to say, I'm stoked!!!
03-11-2005, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
What a tool.
Hey Phantom, I just got a call from the shop that my car dynoed 468rwhp with the new setup (full bolt-on swap out). I'm the first one to call BS on this until I see the dyno sheet, and then take my car to another dyno for another set of pulls. But, needless to say, I'm stoked!!!
Hey Phantom, I just got a call from the shop that my car dynoed 468rwhp with the new setup (full bolt-on swap out). I'm the first one to call BS on this until I see the dyno sheet, and then take my car to another dyno for another set of pulls. But, needless to say, I'm stoked!!!
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P.S. Regardless of the tranny, the LS1 is ripping you apart. Take DarrensForumla for example .... 13.1 on a basic bolt-on LS1 A4, just like the one you raced. If you want to take it alittle further, that is a high 12 second time with a better 60ft, and from a slow roll he is eating you up.
03-11-2005, 04:59 PM
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I never back out of racing anyone. Just like racing from a roll easier on the car.
And I' ve never seen a pipe only GSXR750 run 9's Jared! Money talks bull **** walks.
And Jared the Nx is on now so she's pull'n somewhere around 650 Wheel! Don't think the little 750 is up to that son.
And I' ve never seen a pipe only GSXR750 run 9's Jared! Money talks bull **** walks.
And Jared the Nx is on now so she's pull'n somewhere around 650 Wheel! Don't think the little 750 is up to that son.
03-12-2005, 12:30 AM
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An Engine Is An Engine Is Just A Matter On How You Build It And How Much You Put In It Hehe ...ls1 Lt1 Moded Is The Same Thing Stock Vs Stock Is Different And Some Stock Lt1s Do Eat Stock Ls1s I Had A Stock 96 Lt1 And People Also Swore Up And Down I Had Something Under The Hood
03-12-2005, 12:17 PM
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"Some Stock Lt1s Do Eat Stock Ls1s I Had A Stock 96 Lt1 And People Also Swore Up And Down I Had Something Under The Hood"
yea i get that all the time, some just run better than others, people dont get that a dyno is for tuning not racing.its no biggie to me i kind of think its funny and everybody gets mad, but oh well, long live the LT1!
yea i get that all the time, some just run better than others, people dont get that a dyno is for tuning not racing.its no biggie to me i kind of think its funny and everybody gets mad, but oh well, long live the LT1!
03-12-2005, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jaredwayt
"Some Stock Lt1s Do Eat Stock Ls1s I Had A Stock 96 Lt1 And People Also Swore Up And Down I Had Something Under The Hood"
yea i get that all the time, some just run better than others, people dont get that a dyno is for tuning not racing.its no biggie to me i kind of think its funny and everybody gets mad, but oh well, long live the LT1!
yea i get that all the time, some just run better than others, people dont get that a dyno is for tuning not racing.its no biggie to me i kind of think its funny and everybody gets mad, but oh well, long live the LT1!
03-12-2005, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
Actually, timeslips are a result of racing. Got any?
03-13-2005, 12:10 AM
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First off, this Could have happened, as described, because we all know how anything can happen on the street. Second, as a former L98 owner {89 formula350}, I know how tables can turn even when the chips are down. My L98 was a strong runner and could give an LT1 a run for it’s money. Sure, I’ve been beat by slower cars, and I do now, even in the SS.
As I see it, what probably happened, since it was a roll race, was the 4L60E didn’t kick down into 1st gear when floored from a 20MPH roll. Since “JEREDWAYT” stated he was @ 2800-3000RPM he was closer to his Power band then the LS1 A4 on take off.
LT1’s don’t have more torque then an LS1, but it comes on sooner and peaks whereas the LS1 has a flatter torque band and pulls like a rapped ape up top. Given the Circumstances, this race should have started from a dig. This would rule out all probable doubt that the LS1 is the superior car.
As stated before, the 4L60E was probably in 2nd from such a slow roll and bogged when the driver asked for full power, the transmission refused to kick down. This happened more times in my Formula350 then I care to imagine. Granted, It was not Electronically controlled, as today’s 4L60E, but the 700R4 is basically the same transmission. This could be the only possible reason I could see.
Anyone who’s driven an automatic car knows that, sometimes when you floor the throttle from a certain speed, the transmission hesitates or refuses to find the “optimal” gear. Remember, the LS1 & 4L60E have to work in sync “together”.
@JEREDWAYT:: race an LS1 from a dead stop then come back and tell us the outcome. You will be quite surprised that the LS1 is a strong puller not just because it has more horsepower, but that it has flat torque curve like the state of Tennessee, which helps in the top end.
As I see it, what probably happened, since it was a roll race, was the 4L60E didn’t kick down into 1st gear when floored from a 20MPH roll. Since “JEREDWAYT” stated he was @ 2800-3000RPM he was closer to his Power band then the LS1 A4 on take off.
LT1’s don’t have more torque then an LS1, but it comes on sooner and peaks whereas the LS1 has a flatter torque band and pulls like a rapped ape up top. Given the Circumstances, this race should have started from a dig. This would rule out all probable doubt that the LS1 is the superior car.
As stated before, the 4L60E was probably in 2nd from such a slow roll and bogged when the driver asked for full power, the transmission refused to kick down. This happened more times in my Formula350 then I care to imagine. Granted, It was not Electronically controlled, as today’s 4L60E, but the 700R4 is basically the same transmission. This could be the only possible reason I could see.
Anyone who’s driven an automatic car knows that, sometimes when you floor the throttle from a certain speed, the transmission hesitates or refuses to find the “optimal” gear. Remember, the LS1 & 4L60E have to work in sync “together”.
@JEREDWAYT:: race an LS1 from a dead stop then come back and tell us the outcome. You will be quite surprised that the LS1 is a strong puller not just because it has more horsepower, but that it has flat torque curve like the state of Tennessee, which helps in the top end.
03-13-2005, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JVs95LS1Z28
And Some Stock Lt1s Do Eat Stock Ls1s I Had A Stock 96 Lt1 And People Also Swore Up And Down I Had Something Under The Hood
03-13-2005, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MYTFASTSS
First off, this Could have happened, as described, because we all know how anything can happen on the street. Second, as a former L98 owner {89 formula350}, I know how tables can turn even when the chips are down. My L98 was a strong runner and could give an LT1 a run for it’s money. Sure, I’ve been beat by slower cars, and I do now, even in the SS.
As I see it, what probably happened, since it was a roll race, was the 4L60E didn’t kick down into 1st gear when floored from a 20MPH roll. Since “JEREDWAYT” stated he was @ 2800-3000RPM he was closer to his Power band then the LS1 A4 on take off.
LT1’s don’t have more torque then an LS1, but it comes on sooner and peaks whereas the LS1 has a flatter torque band and pulls like a rapped ape up top. Given the Circumstances, this race should have started from a dig. This would rule out all probable doubt that the LS1 is the superior car.
As stated before, the 4L60E was probably in 2nd from such a slow roll and bogged when the driver asked for full power, the transmission refused to kick down. This happened more times in my Formula350 then I care to imagine. Granted, It was not Electronically controlled, as today’s 4L60E, but the 700R4 is basically the same transmission. This could be the only possible reason I could see.
Anyone who’s driven an automatic car knows that, sometimes when you floor the throttle from a certain speed, the transmission hesitates or refuses to find the “optimal” gear. Remember, the LS1 & 4L60E have to work in sync “together”.
@JEREDWAYT:: race an LS1 from a dead stop then come back and tell us the outcome. You will be quite surprised that the LS1 is a strong puller not just because it has more horsepower, but that it has flat torque curve like the state of Tennessee, which helps in the top end.
As I see it, what probably happened, since it was a roll race, was the 4L60E didn’t kick down into 1st gear when floored from a 20MPH roll. Since “JEREDWAYT” stated he was @ 2800-3000RPM he was closer to his Power band then the LS1 A4 on take off.
LT1’s don’t have more torque then an LS1, but it comes on sooner and peaks whereas the LS1 has a flatter torque band and pulls like a rapped ape up top. Given the Circumstances, this race should have started from a dig. This would rule out all probable doubt that the LS1 is the superior car.
As stated before, the 4L60E was probably in 2nd from such a slow roll and bogged when the driver asked for full power, the transmission refused to kick down. This happened more times in my Formula350 then I care to imagine. Granted, It was not Electronically controlled, as today’s 4L60E, but the 700R4 is basically the same transmission. This could be the only possible reason I could see.
Anyone who’s driven an automatic car knows that, sometimes when you floor the throttle from a certain speed, the transmission hesitates or refuses to find the “optimal” gear. Remember, the LS1 & 4L60E have to work in sync “together”.
@JEREDWAYT:: race an LS1 from a dead stop then come back and tell us the outcome. You will be quite surprised that the LS1 is a strong puller not just because it has more horsepower, but that it has flat torque curve like the state of Tennessee, which helps in the top end.
If you had read the first post where he describes the race you could have saved yourself a lot of typing. 0-30 mph is a beautiful place for an auto LS1 to race. It's a fast downshift to first and you get thrown back in your seat. Now 31-40 is a bad place for an auto LS1 with stock torque converter to race. If the race had started in that range then yes we would have a legitimate answer as to how David could have beaten Goliath.
But in the original post he states they went from a first gear roll. Now a first gear roll is not going to get them past 30mph and thus the dead spot was not a factor in this race. Now our LT1 friend here wants to live in his own little world where stock LT1's that trap 99-101 or so can destroy bolt-on LS1's that trap 105-107. Somehow in his world this makes perfect sense. But in reality there is no way an A4 LS1 with more power, no dead spot and no chance to miss a shift (aka A4) could lose the way he described to a "stone stock" LT1 without major mechanical issues being the reason. But he is unwilling to admit this which makes me think he is just making this whole thing up to try and sound "cool". Or maybe he got his butt kicked by an LS1 and this is how he thinks he can get revenge.
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