That's a myth about LS1's not laying down the lowend.

 

I smell something, oh yeah its BULLSHIT.


Where do you live, Id like a peice of this "LS1 Killer" myself. Ill give you 5 car lengths and the hit and walk you by 10.

 

I have raced H/C LT1's and to make a short story even shorter, they didn't come out on top.

 

Bring that LS1 Killer down to Northeast Dragway in Elizabeth City this Friday night. I've got a stock LS1 that's just itching to get its *** handed to it by an LT1. Come on down and scratch it. I'll even bet a little money on it if that's what it takes. The superior low end power (and top end power according to your post) of your LT1 should have no problem whatsoever taking my inferior LS1 in the 1/8th mile, right???

Mods to my car: Converter, 3.90's and tires. No power enhancing mods.

Let me know if you're going to make it so I'll be sure to get up with you.

 

I have an LT1. Mods; headers, 4.10's, exhaust, no cat, 58mm Holley t/b, and some other bolt ons, but there are the ones that were mentioned above. I couldnt get out of 14's last time I was at the track, and the track was prepped really well. I kept spinning my tires all the way through 4th. 60' times were 2.3 if not more. Tires are BFGoodrich KD's 315/35/17. They dont hook up on the street as well. Have LCA's, relocation bracket and Panhard bar. Once the car hooks up in 3rd, it pulls well. <---Not saying that it pulls better than an LS1, but pulls well.

Before all of my mods, I raced and LS1 Z28 on the highway out of the toll booth. He had an automatic, I had my 6-speed. I started behind him about a car length, and when we got to about 130 we were even. We were going to a speed shops open house, and a couple of us lined up at the tool booths and gunned it at the same time when the gates up! Point of my story is that I kept up with that particular LS1. I know that Ill get walked over by an LS1...so dont think that I dont know what an LS1 is capable of...I love the LS1's...I just bought my LT1 because I love the Formula WS6 front and how they look over all.

I have not raced too many LS1's, but I know that I would get spanked if the LS1 had the same mods, or even the LS1 being stock. Long live the LS1!

 

Few things doesn't make sense to me, perhaps you could clear up the confusion for me.

Say he has 3.42 gears, shouldn't you be shifting before him since you have much shorter gears?

If you shifted into 4th gear @70, then you much be short shifting because you should still be in 3rd gear at that speed. I had 4.10 gears in my LS1 SS and whether I'm at track or racing, there is noway I would shift to 4th gear at 70 mph.

 

See that's your problem, you're probably not double clutching like he is... you granny shifter you.

 

I hit 3rd.... and started creating distance on him like he was in a civic.

then the next thing I new he was a car behind me....






Anyone else find that even remotely funny?


Look Mr. Heatmaker, I've owned/modded an LT1 as you can see from my sig. With fairly mild bolt-on's I was able to run high 12's so I know what they're capable of. But I only trapped 105. Now look at my STOCK LS1 I now own, trapped 106.

There's no way BS mods like a K&N, cat-back, and 4.10's is gonna allow you to pull even a stock LS1 up top, especially when you say that you basically let him get a car or so out front rom the start.

I like LT1's and mine was no slouch, even stock. I went a best of 13.62 @ 102 bone stock. A well maintained/good running LT1 can ET decent if driven properly, but they'll never have the MPH that an LS1 will in lightly bolt-on/stock form.


You could try and help clear a lot of this up if you would just post your actual mods...











Jon

 

Likewise.


Calls out someone to race and then waits for the guy to get traction before getting on it. What amazes me is the time Heatfaker put into writing the story.

 

You suffer from classic Ricer syndrome. It's pointless to discuss this further. We acknowledged your kill, however rare it may be, & you still run on & on about how your technically inferior car is better than the one that ownes it on a regular basis.

 

OK

I go to Lincoln Tech in Indianapolis, there are like 12 camaro's here 6 LT1's and 2 LS1 cars(mine being one) LT1 OWNERS HERE ARE *** HATS

I'm so tired of them thinking they own the damn world, i mean, come one i do have a camaro not a f&%king turdstain.

My friend here(LT1) he has 3.73's long tubes, true dules, no opti spark, hypertech, and barly pulls, if any.

LS1's are one of the best engines EVER made, not just because i own one.

Thanks(end of rant)

 

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY CAMARO OWNERS, JUST STOP THINKING YOU OWN THE WORLD JUST CAUSE YOU WANT AN LS1.

sorry

Charlie

 

HAha you guys got me... I shifted early into 4th... I was shifting later than him becasue he stated first... If you didn't read the first sentence I "delayed" my start... I started about a car behind him once he got rolling... I kind of always do this really. My mods list was a joke.

I still don't see why you guys thinks LT1s are so far behind the world.. .you need to hop on over the Cz28.com sometime and see what us LT1 boys are doing over there. The biggest advantage of an LS1 is it;s modability and that's what has made it popular... of basic modifications you can get good power... but after the basics it stops there. The equalibrium for both engines is the Cam... the cam determines how the car will perform and who will beat who. Once you change those specs the LT1 is no longer an under dog.


Most of the guys you see trapping 10's and below have lost the restrictive parts of our engine... liek the intake and have upgraded to different designs. This gives them similar advantages that your intake designes have, to trap higher ETs.


Moded LT1 and a Moded LS1 will be just about equal.. .the only difference is the LT1 will need a few more extra tweaks to compensate for the extra 50hp the LS1 already is outputting. That's the only advantage of the LS1 over the LT1 is that is has 50hp over us. So you have to work an LT1 out a bit more no big deal. LT1 is far from a TPI. The LT1 is basicly a standard 350 with reverse flow cooling. I ahte to break it to you but aint no LS what ever goign to beat the standard SBC 350 ever. The adavatages fo the LS1 are the aluminum block, Intake design, 1.8rr's that increase cam response, advanced head design. Other than that it's just another chevy engine.

I'm not out racing LS1's in a ******* Honda it's a Camaro and aint but a few cars beat me and thy weren't nearly running on anything streetable.


My car is tuned right, and I never had a problem out running an LS1 why? becasue my LT1 makes power, and my chassy setup gets it to the ground. That's what racing is all about... jsut becasue it's the latest doesn't mean it's the greatest... the LT1 has been out longer... the LS1's are just really getting into the game. For every single LS1 in the 10,s you can bet there's atleast 10 LT1's that have already been there.

I'm not trying to down play anyone on this site but use common sense. The only LT1's that are really slow and lose allot are the guys with the light mods that think they can take on anything. The guys like me and the others at CZ28.com that don't have light mods... aren't affraid of walking on any car. THat's just the reality of racing.

I walked the LS1 because I had a better setup than he did plain and simple.

I bolt on LT1 will make about 315hp 325tq while a Bolt on LS1 will make about 360hp and 370tq and so on. It's only common sense that the LT1 will need somore tunning to compensate the advantage of the LS1... wether it be weight reduction, A/F adjustments ETC ETC.

It's all apart of the game.

And BTW I don't waste my time lookign for LS1's or call myself an LS1 killer... that's a waste of my time. I'm only interested in chasing better and faster cars that were made by Germans right now. Racing Mustangs and Ricers.. .got old 4 years ago when I started this mess.

 

I'm sorry, if your friend is using a Hypertech... he has no idea what he's doing to his car.

 

What kind of times you layin down?

 

Okay. Theres alot of misinformation and just plain faggotry in this thread. Let me set some records straight.

First off, heatmaker, you're a dumbshit. I commend you for, unlike most of the LS1 owners here, realizing the LT1s potential. On the other hand, the hand that thinks you're a dumbshit, your story was unplausible and full of holes. You also seem to think the intake is a chokepoint, I guess you're unaware that our intake is damn near impossible to max out on a streetable car right? You don't even really list your mods, and you come off as an ******* that's convinced the LT1 is the end all of end alls.The fact is, there IS NO END ALL ENGINE. Period. You can make ANYTHING fast.

Some LS1 owners here continue to believe the LT1 is a slow engine. You can make them run 12s with tires, 4.10s a catback and a tune (a little less than $1000 if you do the work yourself). I've seen it myself and it's what I'm attempting to do with mine. Now the trap speed on those runs will be lower than even what a stock LS1 will trap, and to hit 12s you have to be skillful, not simply rely on power. On the street driving skills are pretty important, imo. But on the highway then it's all power.

All things equal (intake flow, head flow, cam size) the LT1 and LS1 will make equal power. If I REALLY wanted to argue it, I could say the LT1 would make slightly more due to more cubic inches (350 vs 346), but that's really a moot point. In it's stock form the LS1 comes with better parts, that's why it's faster. However it takes only a phone call to Lloyd Elliot and Summit Racing to have your LT1 running 11s.

I don't know why this arguement is still going on. Oh wait, yes I do. Most LS1 owners sit around and argue their **** is the best in the universe. Retards. Sorry for the childish name calling, but it needed to be said.

Then there are also people that are convinced the LT1 is god over the LS1, or whatever Heatmaker thinks.

As I said before, there is NO end all engine.

 

I have an LT1 and I dont think Im ****. I love my car. I also know the LS1's pretty well and that engine is one of the best engines ever produced. I know that and I can still sleep at night not thinking LT1>LS1. Get a life man! Get over yourself. The Firebird vs. Mustang race scene is not so 4 years ago! It is going to go on as long as time will move forward. You got me pissed off! You just got bitch slapped by a newbie. Biatch!

 

Heatmaker, "25 hp" IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR the hp gap between the LS1/LT1...sorry to burst your bubble, but try around 50rwhp.

 

My buddy's WS6 put down 321hp at the wheels with nothing more than a lid......He ran 12.99 on street tires.....He since then has added Headers, and full cat back hooker exhaust.

321.27RWHP 331.68RWTQ with Lid/filter ONLY
336.8RWHP 349.43RWTQ after full exhaust

He has still yet to tune his car. Where are you getting your numbers for HP on the LS1? I But believe you area slightly misguided....and misinformed.

Sorry bro 360hp is far to easy to achaive with an LS1.....

 

heatmaker...you have changed my life....i see the light now, i am gonna go sell my ls1 and go get my lt1 back, even though my wife used to smoke me in the stock ls1 with me driving the modded lt1, i realize that you are right, lt1 is the king of the road once you open it up and get down in there and do it right, the rest of you non-believers will see, i will destroy all, v-tech's, 5.0's, 6.0's you name it, because god is my witness i will do it, unless my opti-spark goes out again.....or all the other problems i had with it happen to occur.

LT1 WILL OWN YOU ALL!!!!!!!

p.s.
actually if you open up any engine
and take your time modding it right
you will get a good outcome, no matter what it is
V-TECH BITCHES!!!!!!