wickedwarlock

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ScreaminRedZ

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BlueGoat06, I can definitally agree with you that there are almost no stock LS1 f-bodies anymore. Even people who don't really seem like they're into performance have a cat-back and lid, lol. It's like trying to find a stock 5.0 or 03/04 Cobra, lol.

I also don't want you to think that I have anything against the new GTO's. Like I said, my dad has one and I've thought about selling the Z28 and buying one many times. They are beautiful cars. The things that always stop me are the weight difference and the IRS. The fbodies are just setup better for drag racing and that's what I'm into.

Also, that guy with the 388 rwhp cam/bolt-on 2004 GTO went to the track and ran a 12.54 @ 114 to my 12.51 @ 114. He has a 44 rwhp advantage and yet we ran the same time and mph. There's were the weight difference shows in the real world.

BlueGoat06

T/A vs 05 GTO, 2 out of 3, the goat is stock

http://video.projectcamaro.com/Playe...76F&kw=304&p=0

and i couldn't find a stock gto vs a stock c5 zo6, but with the right mods is possible

http://www.moderndaymusclecars.com/videos/455gto.wmv

the c5 zo6 is way faster than the 05/06 goat, no doubt, i haven't have any problems with non z06 c5's, but i have some mods though. i really don't know how both would fare stock vs stock cause i haven't seen that. i only ran 13.07@108.35mph with a 2.095 60' about a month ago at california dragway (Fontana) with nitto 245 dr's, x pipe and mufflers, engine had 3000 miles. track elevation 1300ft, DA was about 1700-1900.
now i have a cai and 5000 miles. almost fully broken in, and it feels way faster than last month. i always read about our lsx engines picking up some hp after a full break in, and i always though it was bs , but i'm seen how this engine is picking up power with more miles on it and nothing but a simple cai, i dynoed 350rwhp and 350rwhp with the x pipe and mufflers, engine had 1300 miles, now is making 366rwhp and 365rwtq with those mods, the cai and 5000 miles.

BlueGoat06

and that sounds about right given your weight/power level. on average an ls2 gto needs 30rwhp more to edge out a ls1 powered fbody, given more or less the same mods. we have that already stock vs stock. and as always, drivers would play a really good role.

i'm seen all kind of people driving out there, and i've read how people on our team would roll race from a 50mph starting in 3rd gear , or 80mph roll from 4th gear??? , that, or our irs matted with those 18" wheels and a 235/40 tire doesn't get alone that well on the street, much less at the track with 340rwtq. that's why i went the 17's wheels and a more standart 245/45 tire.

andym07

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also, possibly the guy's dad who was in the GTO weighed 400+

NoFive0

If the SS only got him by 1 car. Then I would have to say that the guy in the GTO was in the right gear.

ScreaminRedZ

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I weigh in at about 170 and my dad weighs in at around 200, so there is a slight difference, but nothing that will really put a dent in the 400lbs difference. Keep trying guys.

BlueGoat06

i can't take away the fact that your car is lighter than your dad's gto. like i've said, i'm aware of the fact that they were some stripped out z28's out there, and they were running pretty fast times before, i know a couple of them trapping at 110mph with a lid O/R Y pipe and cb. do they represent even 1/8 of the average fbodies out there??? i don't think so...

just because this car weigths 3725lbs doesn't mean it won't run fast. the slow ones i've seen were having a lot of traction issues mainly because of the stock 18" wheels and 235/40 tires. who wouldn't have traction problems with a lsx engine and such setup, especially with a irs rear suspension????,

don't kill the performance of this car with ignorant comments (not talking about you) like its heavy and have an irs because despite those facts, the car has all it needs to go fast in stock trim or with a couple of little mods.

this happened last week at speedworld dragway in arizona,track elevation 1450ft, DA for the night: 1000, it was a GTO vs Mach1 kind of day.

http://videos.streetfire.net/recentv...15283C1A4C.htm

one of the red gto's in the video is actuallly an 05 with mufflers delete, (he has straight pipes in place instead of mufflers),maf screen delete,air bags, and nitto 245 dr's. his best of the night was 12.5@111mph, his slowest time was 12.70@110mph, his 60's were between 1.8 and 2.0, the other 05 gto (also red btw) with nothing but nitto 245 dr's and headlight removed ran 12.7@109mph.

Also notice the silver 03 or 04 cobra on the video.he has CB and dr's,he was having traction issues, his best et for the night was 13.1, best trap speed was 111mph. the car should et better with a good driver, or at least with better tires.

a rear live suspension like the one in the fbodies would be better for 1/4 mile track duties, but unfortunely, stock suspension fbodies won't launch like a mustang, and the fact of the matter is, both cars (GTO/Fbody) can hit 1.8 60's with nothing but a pair of small nitto 245 dr's.
there're people that have done this on stock tires, both sides, but the average joe won't do that without the right conditions.

and screaminredz, i'm not trying to prove your dad of your friend gto would run faster than you, in fact with your times you shouldn't have any problems with stock or close to stock 03/04 cobras, same as me, i'm running side by side with the average cai/cb 03/04 cobra and i just have $393 in mods.

this car is fast wheather some of you like it or not, it's just a matter ot time before you find out.

ScreaminRedZ

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My dad's car runs very well for a stock 04. His best time is 13.7 @ 104 mph with a 2.0X 60'.

The red GTO running the 12.5 doesn't overly impress me, but then again, my driving doesn't impress me either (not saying he's running bad, but I think he's right around where he should be based on the car). Even with his very minimal mods I'm sure he makes more power than me and yet I trapped 3 mph more than him (don't forget that this post was started telling about a roll race). There's your power to weight ratio right there. Once again, though, I'm not trying to talk down about the GTO's because I think they are great cars, but I'm just stating that the weight and IRS are my personal reasons for not currently owning one. If they come out with a bolt-in solid rear then things might change because it gets harder not to buy one every time I walk by my dad's GTO.

NVigR8

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Sorry but those times pretty much suck for a completely stock 04 M6 GTO - many of them have run in the 13.1-13.2 range at 105.

Also, 12.50's on a GTO or FBody that traps at 114 pretty much sucks too. 114mph traps should have you in the real low 12's.

ScreaminRedZ

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I've personally never even seen an 05/06 go 13.1-13.2 stock. Not saying that they aren't out there, just saying that I've never seen it. And I very highly doubt that the number of 04 GTO's that went 13.2 stock compared to the number that are out there constitutes "many". From what I have personally seen, 13.7 is right up there for a stock 04 GTO.

Also, if you actually read my post then you'd see that I stated that I wasn't impressed by my own driving so I don't really know where you were going with the statement about the 12.5 @ 114. Maybe you were trying to tell me something I already know?? If so then good job, you get a cookie

NoFive0

If y'all want to compare dick sizes, you should hijiack another thread.

BLK02TA

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Could it be all of the above combined with the better areo dynamics of the fbody?

ScreaminRedZ

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NoFiveO, thanks for the contribution

Tom's_03SVT

since when.... I agree with the trap speed, but the times are a little off to say "MANY". I think a few with an exceptional driver might see low 13's stock.

NVigR8

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see ls1gto.com drag racing section.

Just about every 04 M6 GTO has the potential to run low 13's - its just that most drivers don't know how to get them there.

danno_SS

The jelly-bean has a better Cd.
GTO Cd = 0.31
GTO specs
SS = 0.33
SS specs
Firehawk = 0.33
Firehawk Specs

grey03mach1

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After doing a little research on the GTO's, it appears many owners have a difficult time launching at the track. I read a that a few guys were cutting 2.3's on a regular basis with street tires. I can relate to the launching woes....

LastHawk02

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I raced my GF's 05 and everytime we've raced from a roll everytime we shift i pull on her, and i raced her once on the highway it was pretty close. but from 20mph roll i always seem to pull on her and i know she weighs less than me so i dunno... and she can drive too

TORNATIC!!

Actually the GTO is as aerodynamic as the Vette. They both have the same drag. Therefore the GTO moves through the air better than a F-Bod. Also to the person that said they haven't seen many GTO's hit low 13's check around. A girl in her stock '05 GTO A4 ran a 12.9 at 108 up in Chicago in 49 degree weather. All she did was do some take the spare/jack out and air outta the tires.