Sparetire

^Thats just fun stuff. I have a Hyundai Valve cover on my 4G63. Frigs with the smog ***** heads prety bad considering nobody knows WTF a Laser is in the first place LOL.

As for the first mod thing, much like on DSMs, a boost controller and exsaust are the two best bang for buck initial mods. They run significantly less boost than they are capable of stock and the stock exsaust is crap. I would'nt be surprised to see VR4s gain 50Hp with a MBC and full exsaust (not counting headers)

Boshaft

Wow. First Pontiac steals the name from Ferrari, then Mitsu steals the name from Pontiac. I wonder which auto manufacturer will use the GTO name next?

CharlieCobra03

Gran Turismo Omologato is not just a moniker, it's an Italian description. Then there's Grand Touring Over, the IMSA category for production cars over 2500cc so no theft was involved. Now as to VR4's, they can be VERY fast but suffer from weak trannies (unless ya have 20K for a dogbox) especially the synchros.

neodamonkey

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The stock exhaust ( catback ) is actually good on the 3s's for up to about 450-500 horse power.

The first mods you will see
Boost gauge/boost controler ( that will raise the boost from 9psi on the first gens or 12psi on the second gens to 15psi which is what the stock fuel system can handle )

Intake-Just a filter

Downpipe ( that either eliminates the cat or they gut them )

They dont really make headers for them that are worth anything

With those mods the engine will go from the stock 300Hp to about 350-360hp

From a roll they are kind of slow stock, they will trap anywhere between 100-104 stock. Once you do the above mods you should be looking at about 106-108 traps ( all the above mods can be done for about 300 bucks. Beyond that its pretty much clutch then turbos/fuel. The stock turbos blow ( 9b turbos ) but once you start to upgrade to larger turbos they really start to open up on the highway

A properly tuned upgraded turbo vr-4 will trap between 112-120 ( depending on which td04 turbo ) and when they go td05 ( getting to be fairly cheap to do now a days ) look for about 123-135 traps

Again, the NA Fwd 3000Gts are slow; but dont let that fool you on the vr-4 especially if you are racing from a dig, with street tires they cut 1.6"s

z_speedfreak

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VR4's do crazy donuts too with their AWS, do 1 donut, leave 2 lol

Syn

I'm actually impressed with this thread. Normally when I see someone asking about VR4s on a non-3000GT site I cringe and click the thread expecting the worst. But this one has not really had much misinformation.

I have a '92 VR4 that I'm in the process of selling to get an LS1, so that explains how I found this thread Most everything has already been said about VR4s--they are right up there with LS1s when both cars are stock though an LS1 would be faster on top end until the 3000GT did one of the previously mentioned mods like a $15 boost controller + $50 accurate boost gauge--then it would be the other way around slightly.

They are definitely built well as far as fit and finish. My car still doesn't have a squeak or rattle to it on the interior and it's going on 15 years now. The transmissions have weak syncros and that's really about it as far as weaknesses mechanically. Most people who have raced and "smoked a VR4" in fact smoked a non-turbo FWD putting out barely over 200 horsepower because as others have said, they look almost identical. The only differences on the exterior are the small 'twin turbo' lettering behind the side glass, the VR4 badge on the back, and if all of that badging is removed the only actual body difference is the active aero spoiler on the 91-96 which is just BARELY different looking and you have to have a good eye to see it. 97-98 non-turbo and twin turbos look identical on the outside not counting the badges, and the only difference on the 99 is the ugly wing they decided to put on the VR4s in that year only for some reason.


So in the future if you race a 3000GT and it falls behind very quickly, it's most likely non-turbo (unless your car is modded too of course ) and if one hangs with/beats you then you ACTUALLY ran into a VR4. Also remember Dodge Stealth Twin Turbos are the SAME CAR so watch for those too. Only difference is exterior just like Camaro vs. Firebird.

Sparetire

I had no idea on that cat-back thing. Man, that must be nice to have a decent flowing stock exsaust behind the cats. That would really help with the sleeper types, although the VR-4s are not so much sleeper looking to start with hehe.

Ya learn something everyday.

ohiomike

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Car RamRod

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look at the thread starters sig.

Boosted91TT

This is kinda nice for once. Respect and knowledge intead of bashing.

25psi

Well I don't consider them to be a major threat even when modded bpu. There is a reason why there not considered among the top 5 japanese sports cars.

I don't ever recall a stock vr4 running 13.0, it's more like 14.0 at 100mph.

nomadnate

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one of my friends has 3000 GT he says 0-60 is super slow but the top end is awsome. he claims he hit 160 but it just took a while to get there

K-Dub379

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i sold me VR4 and now have a 00 WS6 and i love them both in different ways. my old vr4 was bpu and all i have on the ws6 is exhaust, lid, and k&n (which isn't much, i know), but the bpu vr4 would take my ta all day long. Some people underrate them and some overrate them. i wouldn't say i like one better than the other, but there are different things about each of them that i miss and enjoy having.

Kevin

neodamonkey

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Its the other way around 0-60 is about 4.8 and the top end is where the turbos and **** fuel system that mitsu put in there start to max out.


The fastes one has gone is 13.0 100% stock. The 91-93s will run about a 13.5-14.0 at about 100mph the 93+ will run 13.0-13.6@103ish. The only thing needing to be done to get the first gens equal to the second gens is pull a little niple in the boost selenoid.

Bpu level again will net about a 12.6-12.8 at about 107. On the street that will take alot of cars stoplight to stop light.

GXPPOWER

RICE is a Mentality/attitude.

RICE does not in any shape or form mean a car. though most will call a honda civic with FRONT WHEEL DRIVE with a giant spoiler RICE since again ITS A FWD but about 99.9% the driver in the car has a bad attitude or think he cars is alot faster than what it is.

to me a Ricer is someone. who has a sheep type personality. does whatever all his buddies is doing wether he likes it or not. i have seen Some sweet looking american/domestic cars with graphics/ wings ect. and i have seen awesome looking imports. it all depends on the driver if its rice or not.


oh and by the way. the vr4 for its time was one of the most advanced cars on the market and still today more advanced than most. though expensive to maintain their are some Really FAST vr4's. and like the skyline did not suffer from having no top end power. they are what the STI and EVO continue to strive to be. AWD cars with low end and Topend power.

560SL

Wow man, get a clue.

Socalmach

Spent 4.5 yrs in Japan. I wouldn't mess with the GTO or a 300z for that matter.

Sparetire

^From a dig, I would think you could go against a light modded one at least.

Although I do know a guy with a god knows how much 300. That thing was not much for launching but man it was fun watching him play catch up. The thing just pulled so hard for what it was.

GXPPOWER

stock for stock their pretty close. the difference is the vr4 has to do a huge clutch drop to get those wicked low times. and like mention their trannies cant keep up with that. from a roll the ls1 will win every time

neodamonkey

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Its not the tranny that cant handle it because it can; its the **** poor transfer case