wish u were closer...............

 

I take it he hasnt seen the video posted up last time this topic came up.

97 ws6 vs. 02 ws6...both 6 speeds...both basically stock.

The ls1 beat the lt1 car HORIBBLY...Withink about 7 or so seconds ( I timed it) the ls1 had like 5 plus cars on him. And one race the ls1 sat next to the lt1 and let him go first...and then blew by him like he threw the car in reverse...and yes...even down low.

ill see if i can find the vid

 

oh yeah. no doubt stock for stock the LS1 will rape any LT1. i thought everyone knew that.

 

burnzilla "not much of a difference"

 

You sir, are an idiot.

I dont "knock" anybody on LS1tech.
Maybe you were so quick to act, you never even comprehended what I said?


I said, word for word....

Full Bolts on's on an LT1 with the proper gearing will run with any Fbody LS1.
And if you Heavily Mod each motor, they are pretty darn close.

I dont want this to turn into an LT1 Vs. LS1 thread, but damn.


When you look at your screen, do you understand what it is your reading?
I never said anything about stock form.
The LS1 has a jump on the LT1, in terms of technology and hp.
But the LT1 has a jump on the LS1 in terms of age.

You go spend 10K on that LS1, and I'll spend 5K on the LT and put 5K into it.
That should make up for the "huge" performance gap


Yes in stock form the LS1 is faster. Congradulations, you win the prize

 

Yeah I comprehend perfectly what was posted..smart ***.


"All the people that own LS1's and knock LT1's IMO probably never rode in one.
I've rode in both, and -->there isnt much of a difference.<--
Full Bolts on's on an LT1 with the proper gearing will run with any Fbody LS1.
And if you Heavily Mod each motor, they are pretty darn close."

and im not arguing that a full bolt on and geared lt1 wont run with an ls1...it would most likely beat one....I was referring to what you said before that.

Are you a hypocrite or cant make up your mind...or what.

I dont need your smart *** comments..so keep them to yourself

 

I've rode in both, and -->there isnt much of a difference.<--
Full Bolts on's on an LT1 with the proper gearing will run with any Fbody LS1

I stand by my word, smartass.

 

Man...you sure are funny.

 

ok then...I guess I took what you said in the wrong way. Sure sounded like something else to me the way you put it.

But you are still wrong...mod both heavily and you are even more behind...the ls1 responds better to mods.

A jump in terms of age, what would that be...an advantage with higher mileage? The ls1 after market is huge

Or are you going to use the ricer comment about pricing like you already did?

whatever dude...this thread is worthless and I have better things to do then argue with someone.

 

Do you mean... bolt ons?
The LT1 needs to breathe. A heads/cam will fix that.
The intakes and exhausts on LT1's are very restricted, while the LS1 intake/exhaust manifold & exhaust are very open.

ANow youre being silly again.
Do you want to argue about age and mileage, and what does that have to do with anything?

What I meant by that was, LT1 owners usually have had thier cars longer, and therefore have modded them.

Seriously, wtf is your problem?
Low mile LS1 cars are just as cheaply priced now as Low mile LT1 cars.
I could get a 120K LS1 for 3500k, in nice shape too.
It be about the same for nice 120K LT1.

I was never agrueing with you, you flipped on me.

But anyways... I'll call truce, if you agree. Either way its all kind of ridiculous. Were both Fbody owners, and should get along.

I'll be the man I am and say i didnt mean to start an arguement ( although some arguements can be fun )... Truce?

 

yeah...truce, you just came off kind of rude for no reason in the first place...not just to me but the other poster and it made me a little bit ticked.
but maybe I took it wrong.

good luck with the lt1 man

 

Ok then...nevermind. An ls6 cam and stock manifolds is an awesome power maker

What the hell do you want me to do...lie to you? I am in no way ripping on you or your car...but it is a weak combination...ask any ls1 guy on here and they will tell you the same thing. At the very least you need to get some headers on that thing. And that may not even do that much because that cam isnt even big enough to require headers.

I just dont know why you would go through all the trouble of a cam swap if you are going to put in a cam that doesnt make that much power, and on top of it all not even run headers

The ls6 cam saved you?....I doubt it...you probably picked up 15-20 horsepower with it, and another 10 from the tune. An ls1 doesnt need a cam to get saved from a bolt on lt1 automatic from a roll.

But I guess everyone wants something different...if you just wanted a little bump from stock and a cam that you can hide and not have to worry about any problems...then good for you....I was just stating my opinion...no need to get upset...like everyone else already has

 

Man...talk about a misleading thread...prolly would have been better if you would have listed it as an "LS6 cammed" car, rather than a "Cammed LS1". An LS6 cammed car with stock manifolds really ain't gonna be all that strong.

 

we're gunna ******* argue with you... you are knockin our cars and we have to defend them.

Of course the ls1 is better. You know why it is? Becuase stock it is ALL aluminum (something us LT1 guys CANT make up), it has amazing flowing heads, and the cam STOCK has .050 more lift.

But lets both do full bolt ons, bottom end, heads cam, maybe FI and the gap will not be as much as you make it sound.

if you want to talk about age and how that is an advantage... when was the first smallblock made? Ok, now imagine everything made for that motor up untill now... that is all available to US. We do have more options than you. But it takesmoney to play. If we takes some brodix 18* heads and convert them to reverse flow. Then we are on a even playing field.


Ok.. no more versus threads.... i stated facts here.... you argue them then you just want to fight.

 

I knock them how? because I say that ls1's are faster?

cry me a river and get a life dude.

Meentss...thanks for backing me up here

 

whoa now, everyone **** off.

This is ridiculous.

But its fun....



( We called truce. Im not messing with you, just trying to state MO. )

Depends what year.
- IMO: A 98 or 99 LS1 A4 would get beat by any year Full Bolt-on LT1 A4. No doubt ( same gear ratio )

- IMO :a 01-02 Z28 and SS LS1 would beat a full bolt on LT1. It would be closer that some might think, especially if the LT1 has the same gears, and a torque converter ( $400 for a nice Fuddle for an LT1 )

- IMO :A Full bolt on LT1 A4 with a nice Stall and same gears as the 02 LS1 would be damn close.

Dont argue guys, just state facts, and then let people know what your " opinion is "

Of course there are exceptions to the rule, with the occasional freak, good runner, and just right set up.
But its nothing to get that upset over.

Getting your car stolen, now thats worth getting upset over.

 

lets just put it this way... the lt4 puts the "lt1" on even playing grounds...

go race a stock ls1 car to a stock lt4 car... im putting my money on the lt4 car (and they are on the even playing field...)

this... probly not fact.... maybe just opinion.... but the even playing field thing is close to the truth than LT1-LS1 is....


EDIT: we need to take a factory ls1 and a factory lt4 car (btoh f-bodys) and race... then do full bolt ons on both cars.... and race again....

 

I've got a great idea... start a bench racing thread and throw around all the theoretical "what ifs" in that thread.

Maybe even toss in some dyno racing for good measure while you're at it.

 

' lol i was thinking the same thing as i was making the thread. but as i doing it, LT1 vs Ls6 Cammed LS1, just didnt sound right.
i dont see what the big deal is though.
u guys gonna get done bickering about the LT1 LS1 BS?
the LS car is one of the best new motors out, our LT1 has been outdated. there will be a new trend in a few years and the LS cars will be slow.

 

dood.. the ls1 was out dated when it came out... it is still using push rods!! lol.... ohv and dohc will soon be the way...


personally i want a manufacturer to come out with a motor that every valve is controled by a solenoid that opens to different degrees of lift. This way the motor could adjust every valve timing and lift. can you even begin to imagine the possible power?