Pushrod ohv is a newer design than ohc...so how is it outdated?

What kind of gas mileage to the ohc cars from ford get compared to the outdated ls1?...and they dont keep up in performance either....what is the corvette ls7 using?....what do top fuel drag cars use?

Ill stick with pushrods...they are fine with me.

what was the lt4 rated in the vette? what was the ls1 rated in the vette? which cars were faster?

Im sure you think that the lt4 would run just as fast some how...but it doesnt...sorry.

anything else?

 

330hp/365ftlbs
Stock LT4

I have a website where they put the "330" package on a vette, and it was extremely underrated, like the LS1, it dynoed more than 330

If i find it, i'll update this post....

 

I know a LS6 cam won't hold a candle to an aggressive lobed 22X cam or other aftermarket cams, but with a few bolt on's the LS6 cam makes a nice bit of power over stock and it's easy on the valve train. It is my first cam, and after a little taste I'm definatley going to go bigger. Everyone rips on the LS6 cam and says it's a waste of time, but it's a cheap and reliable upgrade that has it's place. BTW I was just being sarcastic when I said the LS6 cam saved me.

 

http://www.vetteweb.com/features/vm_0309_lt4/

5th paragraph down.

 

The lt4 had 340 ft lbs of torque from everything I am finding.

So it is just basiaclly an lt1 with better heads and cam?

Kind of like how a 405 horsepower ls6 is an ls1 with better heads and cam?

Yeah I also heard the lt4 was underrated as well.

what makes it so amazing?

Bizzaro...I figured that is why you got it. (reliability,etc,see my other post)
You will pick up about 25 rwhp with some nice longtubes. that would be my next mod if I were you.
But since you already had your duals made for the manifolds you might have some problems...but I am sure a nice exhaust shop could fab something up for you. get some coated pacesetters....they are only like 379 bucks.

 

i wouldnt call it a waste of time by any means, its the fastest 6speed LS1 car i have ran. i know that dont say much, but oh well.
well u have a fast car man, and hopefully u can come out more often. i am actually glad u moved to this area due to noone around knows or thinks that a LS1 car is fast. they think DSM>all

 

I dont know about you, but I find 330hp/360 tq (underrated keep in mind ) pretty impressive for a Stock 1996 Vette. This was 2 years before the debut of the LS1, and had more ***** than any stock 2002 Fbody LS1, including th Ram Air's. Thats a 7 years difference in design and technology, and this motor still was a competitor. Thats as much power as an 02' SS SLP!!

Thats an impressive motor, and if you rode in that car, im sure you would agree.




Makes me feel all fuzzy and warm inside

 

I am finding 330hp and 340 torque as the advertised ratings.
01-02 slp optioned f-bodys could be had with 345 horsepower and 350 torque (not positive on torque#, but it is ver close to this)...more than the lt4. And who is to say which is more underrated?
Ls1 motors on engine dynos make almost 400 horsepower. With headers and everything else stock they make 42x horsepower just about every time.

But I would think the lt4 vette would edge out an 01-02 slp f-bod car due to weight...it would be a battle.

the ls1 was in 97 corvettes, and the design was from 1995.

 

Double Correct, and I appreciate your open view on this.
The LS1 is a world renowned motor and it kicks major ***, I can't wait till I can afford an 02 SS. But you have to admit, that LT4 is impressive.

I love my LT1. In stock form with a basic tune, I hit 145 and it was still climbing.
LS1's are nasty though, but LT1's sound so vicious, I can scare most people out of a race.

 

first off.. they started work on the ls1 before 1995.... now im not sure exactly when.. but it was before that.. is was 93 or 94... they started work on it.

a slp lt4 equiped f-body would run down any ls1 f-body... its been done.. seen it....

but.. the ls1 IS gods motor... and nothing is better.... but.... the lt1 is still a contender no matter what all the arrogant lsx owners think...

 

well obviously they started to work on it before that....the design was finalized in 1995. They didnt just come up with it out of thin air.


Please explain to me why a motor that puts out less to possibly compareable as an ls1, would run down an ls1 car when they are in the same vehicle? because you want it to, because you have a hate and jealousy for ls1 cars?
thats what I think

It is the same car with the ls1 making more power?

what proof or reason do you have for this? because you want to believe it?

Show me an lt4 that does anything within even 20 horsepower of this. this is a stock motor through headers...and they are not open headers...it is through flowmaster mufflers.ls6 manifold comes stock on 01-02 f-body's

I have proof,...what do you have...hopes and dreams?

http://www.airflowresearch.com/dyno/ls1_030804.htm
show me some documented proof...not stories

Also...evan smith has ran a stock ls1 f-body to 12.89 and 12.98 bone stock (DOCUMENTED)...what have they run the lt4 to in an f-body completely bone stock? show me some documented proof and Ill count it...I dont care what stories you have.

sure you might have seen an lt4 f-bod run down an ls1...but it wasnt because of the motor....I assure you

Burnzilla...I think the lt1 is a great motor....it started it all for the f-bodys and gave them the respect they deserve...we wouldnt be anywhere right now if it werent for the lt1 lighting the way

 

Same, I'd be waving as you got walked, .

Wrong again, buddy of mine had an LT4 cam, full exhaust, 1.7 RR and 4.10's in his '95 LT1 T/A and got walked by a STOCK '02 WS6, down to the paper filter, I was riding shotgun. What were you saying again? Full bolt-on......what.....oh, wait! You have your head up your ***. Try again.






P.S. - This is fun!

Blake

 

if i am reading ur mods correctly in ur sig, ill run 5-7 lengths on u
come again
it would be close on motor, but i think i would take the win

 

Ha! Nice change on the "close with motor" on there. Maybe, I ran a nice bolt-on, (maybe cam) LT1 when I was bone stock (which I pretty much as now) and I pulled on him about 1 1/2 cars to about 85 from a 60 roll. I know he had gears because he was shifting what seemed to be WAY before I was. Anyway, I am going to run my brother in his 25th (comp cam, cutout, G2 bellows, airfoil, moroso), it pulls nice, but he is running his mouth.

I do agree that the LT1's sound WAY better than LS1's, no doubt there. The fastest F-Body cars I have seen run are LT1's, so, that says something ::cough cough:: Jordan Musser ::cough cough:: .

Blake

 

i have ran quite a few more then just 5/10 LS1's. been beat by quite a few of them, but near stock....nope. ever ran ur car at the track?

 

Ha! Yeah, on street tires with a 2.3 '60 hopping 1st and boiling 2nd to redline and feathering to an 8.9 in the 1/8th. Which is crappy. Ennis was cold and nobody was hooking except for the AWD cars and cars with DR's/Slicks. I'll be getting BFG's soon on my firebird wheels though.

I have only had the car for two months, I drive it once, maybe twice a week.

Blake

 

By the way, what bolt-ons do you got?

Blake

 

almost all of them. full exhaust, CAI, converter...

 

Originally posted by Ultrals1
Show me an lt4 that does anything within even 20 horsepower of this. this is a stock motor through headers...and they are not open headers...it is through flowmaster mufflers.ls6 manifold comes stock on 01-02 f-body's

I have proof,...what do you have...hopes and dreams?


http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml Scroll down to modern domestic cars Motor Trend has the 97 Camaro Slp SS Lt4 running 13.2 and the 2002 SS running 13.5. The ls1s are very nice engines in stock form and have a huge advantage over the stock lt1s:204cc ports vs 170cc lt1,roller rockers vs stamped rockers,higher lift cam,better flowing intake. Heck,its already modded compared to the lt1. But if you take the lt4 and start off with similiar parts: 195cc heads,better flowing intake,roller rockers,high lift cam the lt1 style engines close the gap on the ls1s. A set of heads or a cam doesn't care if its in a lt1 or ls1,power is power. Forget all this ls1 vs lt1 talk,we all need to just support the american car market or in a few years we will be arguing whose Honda is faster.

 

And this proves what? that motor trend did better with the lt4? was it the same driver same track same day? if not then it doesnt really matter.
13.5 is an AVERAGE time for the 02ss...probably on the slow side.

Show me a stock lt4 f-body that ran a 12.89....not gonna happen.

I will even go far enough to say that an lt4 vette hasnt ran those time either.

I was just looking at the link...it is worthless, the times are all over the place. They have the 1996 corvette gs running a 13.7, all kinds of messed up figures. According to that link a 96 camaro lt1 is faster than the 96 corvette lt4...and the camaro traps higher