25psi

Well said!

bboyferal

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What?

That's ALMOST Heatmaker/Wesmanw02 caliber right there...

Domestic Demon, PLEASE accept that that statement is wrong... Come on.

By that assessment, stock LS1 F-body's are not fast either since they ET and trap about the same.

Domestic Demon

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What are you talking about?? I said I've never seen an Evo trap above 102 at the track, which is true. I also stated that they aren't as fast as their ET makes them out to be, they only run low 13's if they are launched hard. Their trap speed of 102MPH means they would be running about a 13.8-14.0 without AWD. Once they get off the line, they are no faster than any other car of the same weight with 240WHP.

Your comparison with F-Body trap speeds makes no sense. You want the ET and trap speed to be proportional, not one significantly higher or lower than the other.

bboyferal

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Okay, let's speak (post) clearly... Regardless of WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, they trap higher than 102 mph... OFTEN... AT LEAST 106 for the newer ones.

... LIKE STOCK F-BODY's (105-106-ish)

Is that a slow trap? Yes or no...

Domestic Demon

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Prove it. You can't, because you made that up. In other words, you're wrong. A "real car enthusiast" is anyone who is highly interested in motor vehicles, whether they be American or otherwise. Just because someone doesn't like a certain brand, type, or origin of vehicle does not disqualify them from being a car enthusiast.

Thats the biggest load of **** I think I've ever read. Way to downplay the effects on the economy of buying expensive imported products. Of course you have the right to buy whatever vehicle you want, but buying an Jap car over a Domestic just because its an import is ignorant and stupid. You do what you want, but maybe you'll get a ******* clue when one of the Big 3 goes out of business and the whole US economy suffers because people like yourself refuse to buy American made products because they are Domestic

Domestic Demon

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Find me a magazine time where an Evo traps at 106MPH. I've never seen higher than 104 in a magazine, and those are the best of the best numbers, because they are done by professional drivers on prepped tracks in optimal conditions.

Why do you feel the need to defend cars like the Evo and STi so much?? Its like you take it personally or something, get a life

bboyferal

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Incorrect... You are wrong, you are an AMERICAN CAR ENTHUSIAST... ANYONE will agree here, not that you'd care anyway... But it should at least be posted, it being the truth and all.



You see the bolded text? It's just as stupid to buy a domestic over an import for the same reasons. Also, since you're a REAL CAR enthusiast, what NON-AMERICAN-made cars do you like?


Also, HOW THE **** DO PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF refuse to buy domestic products WHEN I ******* OWN A TA??? NOT THE FIRST I'VE BOUGHT, BTW!!! Please, I'm dying to hear this, please teach me how I refuse to buy American made products... I just looked around my WHOLE house, and you must know something I don't

Also, since you so CLEARLY are passionate about supporting this country, how do you do so? Because liking ******* cars doesn't count.

XakEp

I refuse to buy domestic cars because they dont have anything that really appeals to me. At least the newer domestics. I'm all about old muscle cars, Grand Nationals, exotics (ferraris or lambos) and DSMs.

Frankly, if american auto makers want to survive, they need to do two things.

1) Ditch the UAW

2) Market something that will compete with import cars. Ford Escort Cosworth anyone? Why the hell dont any of them make a small turbo coupe to compete with the imports on their own turf?

bboyferal

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Pick ANY Road and Track... look in the back

Their Granny-shifters are pulling SLOW 105.9's with WEAK ***** launches.

I'm defending the integrity of REAL CAR enthusiasts, not myself... I don't own one (STI/EVO)... but I'll wager my TA is enough for most...

and some TA's too.

Also, do you consider R&T to drive their cars OPTIMALLY?

Domestic Demon

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Frankly I'm now at the point where I couldn't give less of a **** what you have to say. Your statements are off the wall, your reasoning is greatly flawed, and its pretty obvious that you like imports much better than Domestics. If the F-Body gets bashed, you are nowhere to be found. But when someone says somthing about the Evo being slow for its ET, you're all over the thread like flies on ****.

Provide some evidence that a "real car enthusiast" has to like vehicles from every country. You won't because there is none. like I said, you made that **** up

Plenty. I like Audis, Porsches, some BMW's, Ferarris, Aston Martins, Land Rovers, as well as a couple VW's. Just because I don't like some Jap crap does not make me "not a true car enthusiast"


First of all you need to calm down, you're posts are getting ridiculous. Thats all well and good that you own a T/A, but the following statement that you made as well as your attitude in your posts says otherwise, more along the lines that you are a Jap car lover:

bboyferal

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Of course, if you've read all my posts in the last year, you'd know better...

I don't have to, there is none... like most classifications, they are defined by what many agree them to be. One person does not decide that. I could feel that a "chair" is a something you set with dinnerware but I should be prepared for people to look at me funny. A real car enthusiast gets "enthused" by cars that perform... There are many Japanese pieces of ****, and American ones too. I like none of them. There are many American, European, and Japanese cars that perform. If you choose to dislike ONLY the Japanese ones, then you are not a TOTAL GENERAL BONAFIDE car enthusiast. Didn't you post:

What is buying a domestic over an import just because it's a domestic?

Correct. You're ALMOST a total car enthusiast, with a dash of domestic "fanboy-ism" attributed to the fact you've admitted many times that you dislike ALL Japanese cars, including those that perform.

FYI, all users: Wanting to own a 3rd gen FD RX-7=Jap car lover

Oh wait, I already lease an Accord to go to work in... I'm a DOUBLE Jap car lover...

THIS is what's ridiculous:

Now, I ask you again: WHAT THE **** supports this claim? How do I REFUSE to buy domestic-made products when I'VE OWNED TWO TA's... I'm STILL waiting for the explanation...

Waiting... Let's go... address that already if you can.

LSINA7

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Thats stupd. Say it lost AWD and we made it RWD. It then gains power the rear wheels, making it more powerful. So would losing its AWD make it slower? Probably not.

Domestic Demon

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That whole paragraph was nothing but meaningless nonsense. The bottom line is you can't prove by definition what a "real car enthusiast" is. Give it up already.

So I'm not allowed to like Domestic cars the best?? I have to like all cars equally?? You can't be serious. Take a trip over to Germany, and see what kind of vehicles the majority of people like. They have this thing called "National Pride", which you obviously lack entirely, they support their own country and the vehicles they make. Hence the reason a large majority of vehicles that travel the Autobahn are German made, and its no coincidence. In fact the majority of the vehicles you see in Europe are European made, there a few American cars here and there, and some Jap ones, but most are European. Somehow though many Americans don't feel the same way, people like yourself won't think twice about buying a Jap import over a Domestic, even if the Domestic is in fact the better car.


What I'm saying is you obviously prefer Jap imports to American cars. Obviously you keep denying it though. You already stated that your next vehicle will be an RX7, stop trying to play mind games

Domestic Demon

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It would make the ET slower by about a half a second to a full second, and it would gain a MPH or two in trap speed. Its not that hard to understand

bboyferal

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To arrive at that conclusion would require a basic foundation of physics/motorsports knowledge... I dunno, you might be trying to get 13 eggs out a dozen-egg carton here...

bboyferal

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Because you missed it, doesn't mean the explanation wasn't given to you... THOUGH I STRONGLY invite you to logically dispute the posted explanation.

Of course not. I, too, prefer many American cars over some Japanese cars... Thus, the decision upon my primary hobby car.

They're good and reliable, just like Honda's and Toyota's are here.


How the **** can you say THAT I WOULD MAKE THAT KIND OF VEHICLE-PURCHASE DECISION? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? oF COURSE I'D BUY THE DOMESTIC IF IT WERE BETTER... AND MAYBE IF IT WASN'T, TOO!



MIND GAMES? Like playing chess without chess pieces? Where the **** is your mind? My next vehicle? MY ADDITIONAL vehicle!!! I would never get rid of my TA... I hope that's not what you implied. I've owned TWO TA's... YES, I plan on buying a 3rd gen FD... Most of my money goes into my TA. PLEASE TEACH ME... ENLIGHTEN ME, how I prefer Japanese cars... give me something convincing, not baseless assumptions... GIVE ME A BASE HERE!!!

Also, That was your explanation? Let's see, I plan to purchase a 3rd gen FD. Forget the fact I've owned AND WILL continue to own F-body's (hopefully several in my ideal garage), do you feel you can qualify this statement in some way?

Unless you don't mind looking like a tool, you'd better take this back, edit it, spice it up, or explain... IT'S A PRETTY STUPID ACCUSATION. The only thing Japanese I own is my TV and PS2 (ACCORD is leased). I've owned two TA's including the one I have now. I teach children the value of patriotism and make their lives living hell when they put their hands in their pockets during the pledge of allegience, Almost everything I'm looking around in my house looks VERY patriotic to me... EXPLAIN the above statement, please, I'm beggin'... just do it to be nice...

NIevo

http://www.modernracer.com/mitsubishilancerevo9.html
http://www.scoobyblog.com/2006-02-13...preza-wrx-sti/

Theres a couple. Also note that magazine tests are far from the best. Evo's are lmited by a 5K launch limiter which hurts magazine tests. There is a switch that easily turns it off but magazines dont do it.

LSINA7

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Yeah. I'm done with this thread anyway. Getting kind of boring.

bboyferal

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Exactly! Road and Track has pulled a 13.3 @105.9 for the EVO

ShIEEET... Motor Trend once pulled a 13.5 @107 for their road test for a WS6 '98 Trans Am... I guess LS1's can't go any faster than that stock, huh.

We have stock LS1's AVERAGING low 13's in the general drag-racing community ALL OVER.

To think that stock EVO's don't ROUTINELY pull faster times than R&T's reported 13.3 @105.9 is NAIVELY IGNORANT. Try 13.0's at 107,108's.

Domestic Demon

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108MPH in a stock Evo?? Now you're just alking out of your ***, 106 is one thing (the mag time was posted) but 108 is ridiculous. The car just isn't that powerful.

And the only way you are going to pull low 13's in an Evo is if you drop the clutch at 5K. Not only does that put some serious wear and tear on the clutch, but it can also destroy other components in the driveline, such as the transmission, halfshafts, differentials, ect. And good luck getting Mitsubitchy to cover any of that, hell they won't even cover warranty claims that are completely legit

I'd much rather have a car that can run 13.0 all day long without self destructing. To me thats just pointless.