Mach 1 and myself=Driver's race.
06-24-2006 | 09:53 AM
#21
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Not ALL, you've just accounted for two. Around here I've seen numerous Mach's put down 250-260 stock. Sorry but I don't see those cars gaining 50+rwhp from a intake/pipe/tune.
There ARE such things as factory freaks. My old '96 LT1 Z A4 ran 13.6's @ 102 bone stock down the factory filter. Never had it on the dyno but going by the ET/MPH I would wager to guess that it probably was putting down 250-260ish to the wheels whereas most LT1 A4's only put down 220-230 stock.
There ARE such things as factory freaks. My old '96 LT1 Z A4 ran 13.6's @ 102 bone stock down the factory filter. Never had it on the dyno but going by the ET/MPH I would wager to guess that it probably was putting down 250-260ish to the wheels whereas most LT1 A4's only put down 220-230 stock.
06-24-2006 | 11:34 AM
#23
Stock Machs should dyno 270rwhp or so, some do more. With the normal bolt ons most guys get em up to 300-310rwhp, if you go all out and do every bolt on and a good tune 320-330 is possible. Which is 30-40rwhp less than a full bolt on LS1 (6-Speed), im not sure what a Mach 1 weights, I imagine 100 or so pounds less than an F-Body. A full bolt-on LS1 car should be able to beat a full bolt on mach 1 assuming it has a good driver.
06-24-2006 | 11:41 AM
#24
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I love how all Mach 1's that put down decent dyno numbers are labled "factory freaks", when there are actually more that do than don't. Those numbers comnbyu quoted would be for an out of tune automatic Mach 1 with a spark plug wire removed on a Mustang dyno.
Stone cold stock my car put down 286rwhp and 314rwtq. With the addition of nothing more than a Magnaflow o/r x-pipe, it went to 298rwhp and 327rwtq. They were all on a factory tune, so I know that with a decent hp tune, it would have been over the 300rwhp mark, and there's no "factory freak" factor involved.
Stone cold stock my car put down 286rwhp and 314rwtq. With the addition of nothing more than a Magnaflow o/r x-pipe, it went to 298rwhp and 327rwtq. They were all on a factory tune, so I know that with a decent hp tune, it would have been over the 300rwhp mark, and there's no "factory freak" factor involved.
06-24-2006 | 12:39 PM
#25
Not a "freak" but 286rwhp stock is on the upper end of stock mach dyno's, most do between 270-280 completly stock. But at the same time there are also stock LS1 cars doing 320-330rwhp which is what most full bolt on Machs do.
06-24-2006 | 02:15 PM
#26
Originally Posted by dan03mach
Those rears are cheap to build and you can find them everywhere. Just take it sometime and find out what it will do.. I know alot of people who drive there stock rear cammed LS1 to the track and race it with no problems and they are all M6's.. The hp isn't too impressive to you because all you have seen is just bolt on cars.. My car with full exhaust, CAI, and tune put down 325rwhp & 340rwtq on a bone stock motor.. That isn't too bad at all.. Now if you have the money to have the heads ported, cams, and a FR500 intake along with full exhaust, CAI, and tune, they can put down every bit of 450rwhp.. But doing that takes alot of money that most people wouldn't want to spend.. The inake alone cost $3K bucks but it will give you 50+rwhp just by putting it on. The power is there, it is just the money thing that keeps people from building them up N/A..
06-24-2006 | 04:10 PM
#27
Originally Posted by Sprayed1998
Not a "freak" but 286rwhp stock is on the upper end of stock mach dyno's, most do between 270-280 completly stock. But at the same time there are also stock LS1 cars doing 320-330rwhp which is what most full bolt on Machs do.
06-24-2006 | 04:29 PM
#28
Originally Posted by dan03mach
Mach's aren't a joke, they run good..
what kind of time do you run??? a mach is only a slightly modified mustang. only make 15-20 more horespower than a stock gt of same year. you must have plenty of mods or JUICE!!!!
06-24-2006 | 04:34 PM
#29
Originally Posted by Sprayed1998
Stock Machs should dyno 270rwhp or so, some do more. With the normal bolt ons most guys get em up to 300-310rwhp, if you go all out and do every bolt on and a good tune 320-330 is possible. Which is 30-40rwhp less than a full bolt on LS1 (6-Speed), im not sure what a Mach 1 weights, I imagine 100 or so pounds less than an F-Body. A full bolt-on LS1 car should be able to beat a full bolt on mach 1 assuming it has a good driver.
06-24-2006 | 05:26 PM
#30
Originally Posted by smoke20
what kind of time do you run??? a mach is only a slightly modified mustang. only make 15-20 more horespower than a stock gt of same year. you must have plenty of mods or JUICE!!!!
Not too many mods at all.. Just a CAI, full exhaust, tune, gear, and drag rims and tires.. My car only runs 12.0's N/A on my stock Motor car and 11.1's on my 125 shot of Nitrous.. What does your car run???
Last edited by dan03mach; 06-24-2006 at 05:33 PM.
06-24-2006 | 05:32 PM
#31
Originally Posted by smoke20
a mach outweights an F-body by 200 pounds. i didnt believe it at first just look up the weights on line. the mach is a lot of show and very little go from the factory. they have great potential but like the mach guy said it takes a lot more money to get the stang fast.
Why don't you go do some more research and them come back..
06-24-2006 | 05:53 PM
#32
lol yea, I dont know where you did your research but the mach is the lighter car. Basically it is just like any 4V car, if you gear the **** out of them will move. But the heads/cams they use gave them a little more low end grunt compared to the 96-01 cobras. But make no mistake, mod for mod the LS1 cars will be quicker/faster, but there does seem to be quite a few Mach guys dropping some weight and doing the right mods and sending some LS1 owners crying home, some guys just don't undestand the whole power to weight concept. You got 400rwhp LS1 guys saying how is that Mach running 12.0's with 330rwhp, not knowing that if they set their car up like that Mach theyd run low 11's, lol.
06-25-2006 | 11:05 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by BLAKE 01 WS6
i went to strickly the other day while they were tuneing jester's mach, it is FULL bolt on including the fr500 intake. he picked up 17rwhp, for a total of 332rwhp uncorrected. i think even with some nasty cams 450rwhp is way off. even so, don't let that hp# fool you, his car will go 11's.
The stock cams sign-off at ~ 6200 - 6300 rpms - the FR500 cams keep making power until almost 8000 rpm.
Dyno sheets of cars that have both the FR500 intake & cams look like a turbo dyno sheet... the rwhp keeps going, and going, and going, and going....
Originally Posted by smoke20
what kind of time do you run??? a mach is only a slightly modified mustang. only make 15-20 more horespower than a stock gt of same year. you must have plenty of mods or JUICE!!!!
That's too funny!
You've got a LOT to learn about Mach 1's...
My bolt-on Mach runs 11.5 - 11.6 in the 1/4 @ 116 - 117+ mph...
06-25-2006 | 12:51 PM
#34
Originally Posted by Angus66
Just as an fyi, the FR500 intake is a poor match for the stock camshafts.
The stock cams sign-off at ~ 6200 - 6300 rpms - the FR500 cams keep making power until almost 8000 rpm.
Dyno sheets of cars that have both the FR500 intake & cams look like a turbo dyno sheet... the rwhp keeps going, and going, and going, and going....
15-20 more horsepower than a stock GT???
That's too funny!
You've got a LOT to learn about Mach 1's...
My bolt-on Mach runs 11.5 - 11.6 in the 1/4 @ 116 - 117+ mph...
The stock cams sign-off at ~ 6200 - 6300 rpms - the FR500 cams keep making power until almost 8000 rpm.
Dyno sheets of cars that have both the FR500 intake & cams look like a turbo dyno sheet... the rwhp keeps going, and going, and going, and going....
15-20 more horsepower than a stock GT???
That's too funny!
You've got a LOT to learn about Mach 1's...
My bolt-on Mach runs 11.5 - 11.6 in the 1/4 @ 116 - 117+ mph...
06-25-2006 | 04:33 PM
#35
Originally Posted by Sprayed1998
So basically you gotta have a forged motor to run the FR500 cams? I don't think a stock Mach bottom end is gonna like 8k rpms's very much, right?
06-25-2006 | 05:17 PM
#36
Originally Posted by dan03mach
It already has the forged crank, but the valve train won't hold up to that high of RPM, so if you change out the valve and springs like you would when installing cams you can run it up to 8K.. The motor already spins to 7K stock, OHC motors are able to spin alot higher then push rods..
06-26-2006 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sprayed1998
I know, but still 8k is alot of rpm for a car with a stock bottom end (yes I know the 4V cars come with forged cranks). I highly doubt a stock mach bottom when would hold up very long with constant trips to 8000rpms, I don't care what kinda valvetrain upgrades it has.
I wouldn't see much use spinning the engine past 7400 - 7500 rpm in a race situation,
and the stock bottom-end is capable of repeatedly spinning that high without fear of breakage...
06-26-2006 | 08:09 AM
#38
Originally Posted by Angus66
I looked up the dyno sheet that showed the FR500 top-end (intake, cams, valves, springs, etc) and the rwhp starts to level-off @ 7200 - 7300 rpm (1000 rpm over stock).
I wouldn't see much use spinning the engine past 7400 - 7500 rpm in a race situation,
and the stock bottom-end is capable of repeatedly spinning that high without fear of breakage...
I wouldn't see much use spinning the engine past 7400 - 7500 rpm in a race situation,
and the stock bottom-end is capable of repeatedly spinning that high without fear of breakage...
06-26-2006 | 03:17 PM
#39
Originally Posted by dan03mach
A stock GT puts down about 230 stock, most Machs put down between 270-290 stock I would say that is a little more then 15-20 hp.. LMAO
Not too many mods at all.. Just a CAI, full exhaust, tune, gear, and drag rims and tires.. My car only runs 12.0's N/A on my stock Motor car and 11.1's on my 125 shot of Nitrous.. What does your car run???
Not too many mods at all.. Just a CAI, full exhaust, tune, gear, and drag rims and tires.. My car only runs 12.0's N/A on my stock Motor car and 11.1's on my 125 shot of Nitrous.. What does your car run???
06-26-2006 | 03:23 PM
#40
[QUOTE=Angus66]Just as an fyi, the FR500 intake is a poor match for the stock camshafts.
The stock cams sign-off at ~ 6200 - 6300 rpms - the FR500 cams keep making power until almost 8000 rpm.Dyno sheets of cars that have both the FR500 intake & cams look like a turbo dyno sheet... the rwhp keeps going, and going, and going, and going....
I was not bashing, just simply presenting the facts of what i saw with my own eyes. they said that even with stock cams that intake was supposed to be worth 50hp, only got 17. for $3000 i be one pissed off ****! and if you seen his dyno graph, it still makes power all the way to 7000, didn't fall off at 6200, like it did with the stock intake.
The stock cams sign-off at ~ 6200 - 6300 rpms - the FR500 cams keep making power until almost 8000 rpm.Dyno sheets of cars that have both the FR500 intake & cams look like a turbo dyno sheet... the rwhp keeps going, and going, and going, and going....
I was not bashing, just simply presenting the facts of what i saw with my own eyes. they said that even with stock cams that intake was supposed to be worth 50hp, only got 17. for $3000 i be one pissed off ****! and if you seen his dyno graph, it still makes power all the way to 7000, didn't fall off at 6200, like it did with the stock intake.
Last edited by BLAKE 01 WS6; 06-27-2006 at 02:32 PM.