Mach 1 and myself=Driver's race.
06-27-2006, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TRMach1
I love how all Mach 1's that put down decent dyno numbers are labled "factory freaks", when there are actually more that do than don't. Those numbers comnbyu quoted would be for an out of tune automatic Mach 1 with a spark plug wire removed on a Mustang dyno.
Stone cold stock my car put down 286rwhp and 314rwtq. With the addition of nothing more than a Magnaflow o/r x-pipe, it went to 298rwhp and 327rwtq. They were all on a factory tune, so I know that with a decent hp tune, it would have been over the 300rwhp mark, and there's no "factory freak" factor involved.
Stone cold stock my car put down 286rwhp and 314rwtq. With the addition of nothing more than a Magnaflow o/r x-pipe, it went to 298rwhp and 327rwtq. They were all on a factory tune, so I know that with a decent hp tune, it would have been over the 300rwhp mark, and there's no "factory freak" factor involved.
edit: same as above!
06-27-2006, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sprayed1998
I have been to the track 100's of times in my stang, just never in the SS. When my Gt was still on the NPI motor I had it doing 13.70's, once I droped the PI motor in I got it to do 13.20's, so I can drive pretty well. I just know once I run it a few times I will try to bust into the 11's, and will most likely bust my rear trying.
It will hold suprisingly well on a cam only or H/C car. They HATE nitrous though, which is how I broke all 3...
06-27-2006, 07:04 PM
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[QUOTE=BLAKE 01 WS6] Holy ****, 17hp for 3 grand? Damn and I thought I was crazy for spending 1000 bucks for 15rwhp for a Fast 90/90.... Thanks I feel better now.
Originally Posted by Angus66
I was not bashing, just simply presenting the facts of what i saw with my own eyes. they said that even with stock cams that intake was supposed to be worth 50hp, only got 17. for $3000 i be one pissed off ****! and if you seen his dyno graph, it still makes power all the way to 7000, didn't fall off at 6200, like it did with the stock intake.
06-27-2006, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BLAKE 01 WS6
I was not bashing, just simply presenting the facts of what i saw with my own eyes. they said that even with stock cams that intake was supposed to be worth 50hp, only got 17. for $3000 i be one pissed off ****! and if you seen his dyno graph, it still makes power all the way to 7000, didn't fall off at 6200, like it did with the stock intake.
Also, if you look beyond the peak-to-peak rwhp gain, you'll see roughly a 43 rwhp increase @ 6750 when the operator stopped the run. It was likely even greater than that - the stock intake dyno (which was heading down rapidly) was stopped earlier than the FR500 dyno (which was still steadily producing the same rwhp).
This is why I always get my dyno files in electronic form - so that I can overlay them at my leisure (with WinPEP) to see exactly where I gained or lost rwhp/rwtq through the whole power/torque curves & also to correct them using the same method - SAE/STD/Actual...
06-27-2006, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Angus66
I have seen both his new & old graphs, and the power levels-off @ 6250 rpm with the FR500 intake. This is a great indicator of a restriction in the engine, which is the stock cams in this case. As a side-note, the dyno operator didn't pull to 7000 rpm - he stopped at about 6750/6800 rpm.
Also, if you look beyond the peak-to-peak rwhp gain, you'll see roughly a 43 rwhp increase @ 6750 when the operator stopped the run. It was likely even greater than that - the stock intake dyno (which was heading down rapidly) was stopped earlier than the FR500 dyno (which was still steadily producing the same rwhp).
This is why I always get my dyno files in electronic form - so that I can overlay them at my leisure (with WinPEP) to see exactly where I gained or lost rwhp/rwtq through the whole power/torque curves & also to correct them using the same method - SAE/STD/Actual...
Also, if you look beyond the peak-to-peak rwhp gain, you'll see roughly a 43 rwhp increase @ 6750 when the operator stopped the run. It was likely even greater than that - the stock intake dyno (which was heading down rapidly) was stopped earlier than the FR500 dyno (which was still steadily producing the same rwhp).
This is why I always get my dyno files in electronic form - so that I can overlay them at my leisure (with WinPEP) to see exactly where I gained or lost rwhp/rwtq through the whole power/torque curves & also to correct them using the same method - SAE/STD/Actual...
06-27-2006, 10:25 PM
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Blake 01 WS6,
When we going to HRP so you can run my stock mach 1?
All I have is offroad h-pipe and a K&N with an atmospheric enhancement device...
I'll even leave the spare tire/jack in the trunk and run a full tank of gas which should put my race weight around 3630lbs.
I have $1800 bucks in mods on my car, let's see if I can get booted from the track.
I can't do Fridays anymore due to new job, but Sunday night is good, plus we can see the times on the big board.
Tony
When we going to HRP so you can run my stock mach 1?
All I have is offroad h-pipe and a K&N with an atmospheric enhancement device...
I'll even leave the spare tire/jack in the trunk and run a full tank of gas which should put my race weight around 3630lbs.I have $1800 bucks in mods on my car, let's see if I can get booted from the track.
I can't do Fridays anymore due to new job, but Sunday night is good, plus we can see the times on the big board.
Tony
06-28-2006, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lxh89
Blake 01 WS6,
When we going to HRP so you can run my stock mach 1?
All I have is offroad h-pipe and a K&N with an atmospheric enhancement device... I'll even leave the spare tire/jack in the trunk and run a full tank of gas which should put my race weight around 3630lbs.
I have $1800 bucks in mods on my car, let's see if I can get booted from the track.
I can't do Fridays anymore due to new job, but Sunday night is good, plus we can see the times on the big board.
Tony
When we going to HRP so you can run my stock mach 1?
All I have is offroad h-pipe and a K&N with an atmospheric enhancement device...
I'll even leave the spare tire/jack in the trunk and run a full tank of gas which should put my race weight around 3630lbs.I have $1800 bucks in mods on my car, let's see if I can get booted from the track.
I can't do Fridays anymore due to new job, but Sunday night is good, plus we can see the times on the big board.
Tony
detonating etc...not sure whats wrong with it. i dont remember them posting times on sunday's? plus that day is instant green. me on motor, you on n2o should be a good one to see.i'll save my atmospheric enhancement device untill the last run of the night 
06-28-2006, 07:07 PM
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You can spray me man, I don't care who wins or loses. I am just going out there to have fun. I usually run my best when I feel outgunned anyways.
The only tuning I am doing these days is jet sizes lol. Who needs to buy headers when 4 more jet sizes will get me the same hp gain?
Tony
The only tuning I am doing these days is jet sizes lol. Who needs to buy headers when 4 more jet sizes will get me the same hp gain?
Tony
06-28-2006, 09:31 PM
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true dat. hp is hp no matter how you get it! like i said before i love a good drivers race, so the dope will be for the last run, plus i'm not gonna drive all the way out there to get kicked off right away. i'll be close enough to that on motor. i just want to bring home a 10 sec slip so i can acomplish my goal with the car, and stop modding it!
06-29-2006, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BLAKE 01 WS6
hopefully this will get him that 11 sec pass that he's been wanting. still 450rwhp peak is a long way off, almost not even atainable?
I'd like to hit the 11's without camming the motor. In the Texas heat this summer it MIGHT be possible. The cams will go in this summer so I'll have to make that 11 second pass really soon. With the heat I assume I'm already down about .20 on ET. We'll see what the intake was worth I guess...
06-29-2006, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jester
450 rwhp IS way off for an intake/cammed stock shortblock 4.6L. With the intake and cams (FR500 units) I hope to be upwards of 400 rwhp. NA hp is not cheap, but that's how I want the car to be right now.
I'd like to hit the 11's without camming the motor. In the Texas heat this summer it MIGHT be possible. The cams will go in this summer so I'll have to make that 11 second pass really soon. With the heat I assume I'm already down about .20 on ET. We'll see what the intake was worth I guess...
I'd like to hit the 11's without camming the motor. In the Texas heat this summer it MIGHT be possible. The cams will go in this summer so I'll have to make that 11 second pass really soon. With the heat I assume I'm already down about .20 on ET. We'll see what the intake was worth I guess...
A 150 shot on top of a high 11 second car is 10s for sure.Tony
06-29-2006, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lxh89
You'll get it man! After you run a naturally aspirated 11, we need to get the bottle on your car and start gunning for 10s A 150 shot on top of a high 11 second car is 10s for sure.
Tony
A 150 shot on top of a high 11 second car is 10s for sure.Tony
06-29-2006, 12:56 PM
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DSG's must be freaks. My bone stock to the filter mach 1 went 13.2xx@106.xx
Only raced 3 ls1's when I had my mach. One was 2 ws-6's from a dig, had them by about a car.
Another was a Z28 from a 40-90 roll. I put about a car and a half on him. Granted he had 2 passengers. I had none.
I was looking into buying another mach 1, but in my area in decent shape they are going for about 20k. I bought my new mach one for 23,500. Figured I would just buy a cobra if I was going to spend that much.
Then amongst my search, I found my 02 T/A M6, bought it for $15,500. And glad I bought another f-body.
Only raced 3 ls1's when I had my mach. One was 2 ws-6's from a dig, had them by about a car.
Another was a Z28 from a 40-90 roll. I put about a car and a half on him. Granted he had 2 passengers. I had none.
I was looking into buying another mach 1, but in my area in decent shape they are going for about 20k.
I bought my new mach one for 23,500. Figured I would just buy a cobra if I was going to spend that much.Then amongst my search, I found my 02 T/A M6, bought it for $15,500. And glad I bought another f-body.
06-29-2006, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lxh89
You'll get it man! After you run a naturally aspirated 11, we need to get the bottle on your car and start gunning for 10s A 150 shot on top of a high 11 second car is 10s for sure.
Tony
A 150 shot on top of a high 11 second car is 10s for sure.Tony
06-29-2006, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BLAKE 01 WS6
hey, thats my plan
Have to keep the rivalry alive man!!
Tony
06-30-2006, 02:14 AM
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The 1/4 mile is quite a bit more than just power/weight. In addition to the obvious - traction - there is also gearing. A 6800-7000 rpm range will allow more gearing than a 5800-6000 rpm range (assuming the owner wants to take advantage of it), which is why you will see 320 RWHP 4Vs running about the same ET as 350 RWHP LS1s (given similar weights and conditions).