i think 41,xxx i could be wrong

 

Right... :rolleys:

If you thought a intake and exhaust would yeild 500+rwhp you are either:

a)Stupid
b)dumb
c)retarded
d)all of the above

Think about it for a second. If the GT500 is rated at 500bhp SAE Net which is going to be ~420rwhp +- dyno dependent. So you reckon a intake and catback is going to be good for 80+bhp INSANE INSANE INSANE!!!!!!!

Yeah and I might add you're being a ****. All of those cars are 2 seater sports cars which are all physically smaller and quite a bit more expensive.

Shall we take this potato and compare it to this apple?????

Expensive. Show me another 500bhp car for anywhere near the MSRP!


4325lb

Mercedes SL55 AMG - guess this is also "an engineering embarassment" also

The Mustang is hardly a technological prototype, it uses a proven chassis donated largly from the Jaguar S-Type and an engine from a pick up truck.

Take it for what it is and what who its targeted at. If you don't like - simple don't buy. But don't diss it on unfounded truths, lies and mis-information

Guess you're right, and Ford's top employees the world over in the multi million $$$ technology centres must all be wrong. Why not write them a letter and tell them to fire the whole darn lot becuase you are going to take over and tell how to build it and get it right!!!!!!!

 

An E55 AMG is lighter? What are you smoking?

 

My own take on the new GT500 is its an expensive pig that missed it's intended audience by a wide margin. Rich folks don't buy mustangs and I think a $42,000+ car is definitely in rich folks territory in my books.

If I have $42,000+ I would buy a vette and this is coming from a die hard Ford man! I am sure the Ford guys will scowl at me for saying such things, but it's the truth. Frankly, an 03/04 cobra is better from a price/performance perspective.

Tony

 

I was refering to the 650i and not the M6. Anyways its only 50lbs between the two. Look at the new BMW 335 when they added the iron block and twin turbo... They replaced the fender by alumunim ones and few other bits of the car to try to keep the weight under 3500lbs. The cost of the 335 went up by only $1500-2000 over the 330 car with twin turbo and iron block added and almost keeping the same weight.

What im trying to say is.... If one going to pay 40K+ on a performance car he should get a car that weighs less than 3500lbs or 3600lbs max. Anything over that and its not a performance car anymore. Im sure Ford could have used aluminum on the high end GT500 to reduce weight. Think about it... Using the GT block will add 2-3K cost wise, but will shave 90-120lbs. Adding aluminum fenders and suspension parts could shave another 150-200lbs. That is 250-350lbs off the car and maybe another 3-5K extra cost. Im sure the people wouldn't mind paying that much for a car that out perform a C6 vette which is in the same price range... and when i say out perform i mean in the handling area and not only straight line.

 

gotta love the dumbass comaring the mustang to the porsche viper and vette, not even in the same class.

 

I said E class which starts from 350-55 AMG. The weight starts from 3700's lbs for the E350 to 3900's lbs for the E55 AMG which is around the same weight of the GT500.

You can check the E class weight on this page if you dont believe me
http://www.canadiandriver.com/overvi...nz/e-class.php

Amazing how they get a big car with a big SC'd V8, 4 doors and all the technology and safety in the 3700-3900lbs weight range huh.

 

[QUOTE=300bhp/ton]Right... :rolleys:


If you thought a intake and exhaust would yeild 500+rwhp you are either:


Expensive. Show me another 500bhp car for anywhere near the MSRP!
MG - guess this is also "an engineering embarassment" also

Say hello to....the viper 500 hp, can be had at under MSRP.

 

Read the July Car & Driver. There's a comparison between a C6 and a GT500. The standard C6 outperforms the Shelby in nearly every way. Even modified, these are going to have a tough time with a C6 Z06--not that I'd compare the two but one of the board members suggested FordGeek go find one to show who's boss. According to C&D, that ain't gonna happen.

I'm disappointed that something like a Shelby would be offered with an iron block. It essentially makes it a straight line car as observed by C&D--not exactly keeping with the Shelby tradition.

 

It's 4087lbs.

http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...E55&class=06_E

http://www.theautochannel.com/newcar...s&trimid=16778

http://www.theautochannel.com/newcar...s&trimid=16778

Almost a 300lbs difference.

 

300lbs!!! What are you smoking lol

The links you posted show E55 AMG weight and the difference based on your numbers are around 100lbs while i showed another link that shows 20-40lbs difference between the two cars I'm not going to argue about 80lbs here or there.

As i said before, E class have E350, E500 and E55 AMG. Now the E350 and the V8 E500 weighs less than a Shelby while the E55 weighs a little bit more.

 

What about the

Mercedes SL55 AMG

You seem quite happy to ignore it - why? Is it because it contravenes the you are spewing?????

 

So how long until some guy Kenne Bells one?

 

There's alreaday a turbo version I believe. -Mark

 

Almost every review I've read where someone ACTUALLY drove the car, and didn't read about it in some lame *** magazine like C&D or MT, has said they were astounded, surprised, amazed, and a few other descriptive words, at how well the car handled on a race track, such as the road course at California Speedway. Most couldn't believe that the car felt so neutral, given it's totally out of whack weight distribution. It finally occured to them that the engineers who tuned the suspension (SVT) have considerable experience with making big, heavy vehicles perform like much lighter, and more nimble vehicles, aka the Lightning pickup. Plus, I don't know how much real input Carroll Shelby had in the whole process, but don't forget he's the guy who was laughed at for putting that big, heavy Ford 427 into the little A/C body, placing all it's weight right over the front wheels. I think we all know who got the last laugh in that deal. Could be these guys (SVT and Shelby) know a little something the rest of you MIT wannabes don't.

 

Ok that was one dyno and to my understanding it was very hot and humid during that run, "100-104*/87% humidity".... Atleast thats what ive been reading, that will kill alot of the Shelbys power, if its anything like the 03/04 Cobra its very touchy in the hot humid weather. I also read that there is a long break in period that is tuned into the car I will try to fine a thread and post it from where I read it...

[QUOTE]All of the new Sheldy's have a computer program to automatically break in the engine (a friend from a Ford deal showed me this). The car will not produce its acclaimed 500hp until it has reached a certain number of cold starts and driven miles. After the engine meets its standards, the computer program deletes itself and the power is unleashed. [QUOTE/] <~This is what I read you can believe it or not, we will just have to wait and see when more are being dynoed...

IMO the car is going to make a good amount of power as soon as its broken in and isn't dynoed in 100+* with 80+% humidity. Why shouldn't it, the motor the blower everything about it IMO is bigger and better then the 03/04.

 

i agree the mustang is not in the same class , but if FORD is going to market the GT500 in that class then let the bashing begin.

 

i agree. the mustang cobra will be in the same price class as a corvette. i think we all know which will win. the corvette has the less horsepower but with nearly even weight distribution, amazing handling and weighs what, 700lbs less. this is ford's answer to the corvette whether you want to admit it or not. the shelby cobra is the one in the corvette's price range, NOT the Ford GT. the Ford GT is not an answer to the corvette, it's $100,000 more!

shelby mustang cobra vs. corvette: every time - on every course, on every surface. and let's not even compare the ZO6 which is still in a similar price class.

EDIT - check this out:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/05/17/...ker/index.html

for all you guys out there saying that the new shelby cobra is a success over the '03-'04 cobras because it produces ~40 hp more, may i add that it ALSO is what, costs 20 grand more and weighs more? so lemme get this straight, if i buy a new shelby cobra, i get similar performance to the '03-'04 cobras, i won't be able to upgrade the pulley and i get all this for just $20,000 more?! where do i sign up!

man, the things that pass for a "success" on this board...

even at $40,000, i'd rather take an '03-'04 cobra

 

i cant wait to run across a GT500 and show that pony what a meer 8lbs of boost will do to a real eng.

 

Heck yeah! I just posted a new thread on my real life encounter with a GT500 with some curves. Talk about ownage. Probably a bad driver, but ownage nonetheless. Good luck GT500 hunting!